QUIZ: TRT from injecting E3.5D to daily

[HealthMan]

For those that moved from injecting 2x a week to daily (or less frequent to more frequent independent of how many days a week). What was your testosterone total weekly dosage before and after and the corresponding total testosterone, free testosterone levels?

 

[Vince]

100mg of T and 500iu of HCG very 3 1/2 days ​

T 1183 FT 38.9

20mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days

T>1500 FT 39.4​

 

[Milad Zadeh]

100mg of T and 500iu of HCG very 3 1/2 days ​

T 1183 FT 38.9

20mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days

T>1500 FT 39.4​

Vince so u actually went on a higher dosage on the daily injections? 140mg total for the whole week!!

 

[ratbag]

Vince said 100mg T E3.5D = 200mg/week

but daily it's 7 x 20=140mg/week?

 

[Vince Carter]

For those that moved from injecting 2x a week to daily (or less frequent to more frequent independent of how many days a week). What was your testosterone total weekly dosage before and after and the corresponding total testosterone, free testosterone levels?

There is absolutely no way to correlate a dose to a level, no way at all. The easiest way is to maintain the weekly dose that you're using now and just divide that by 7, test in 6 weeks and adjust fire on the dose at that point.

 

[Milad Zadeh]

Vince said 100mg T E3.5D = 200mg/week

but daily it's 7 x 20=140mg/week?

Apologies I didn’t see the E3.5D

 

[HealthMan]

There is absolutely no way to correlate a dose to a level, no way at all. The easiest way is to maintain the weekly dose that you're using now and just divide that by 7, test in 6 weeks and adjust fire on the dose at that point.

Just interested to see how much of a lower dosage to achieve similar TT levels. Vince is a great example and looks like the majority of people that move to daily injections use way less testosterone to maitain same testosterone levels.
I have done exactly what you said but it feels like either my levels are too high or the change in protocol takes a while for the body to get used to.

 

[FeelingLost]

Just interested to see how much of a lower dosage to achieve similar TT levels. Vince is a great example and looks like the majority of people that move to daily injections use way less testosterone to maitain same testosterone levels.
I have done exactly what you said but it feels like either my levels are too high or the change in protocol takes a while for the body to get used to.

The problem with ED is there is no trough. T cyp half life is 8 days and you peak 24-48 hours after your shot and you are giving yourself a new shot every 24 hours.

We are comparing apples and oranges.
The only way to compare ED to other protocols is peak to peak and no one is going to do that.

 

[Vince]

My current protocol is 16mg of T daily and 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days, so far I feel the same on this protocol as with 20mg of T daily. I'm planning on doing labs March 5th, 12 weeks after I started this new protocol.

 

[LTChris]

Test Cyp. 50mg E3.5D (100mg total weekly), HCG 350iu E3.5D

Total test - 1190
Free T - 29
Estradiol - 29

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Test Cyp. 12mg ED (84mg total weekly), HCG 100iu ED

Total test - >1500
Free T - 39
E2 - 30

labcorp ranges, pre injection labs, same day of the week, same time, fasting

Feel better with the latter protocol

 

[HealthMan]

Test Cyp. 50mg E3.5D (100mg total weekly), HCG 350iu E3.5D

Total test - 1190
Free T - 29
Estradiol - 29

-----------------------------

Test Cyp. 12mg ED (84mg total weekly), HCG 100iu ED

Total test - >1500
Free T - 39
E2 - 30

labcorp ranges, pre injection labs, same day of the week, same time, fasting

Feel better with the latter protocol

Tk u for the post. Are you planning to reduce your dosage?

 

[HealthMan]

My current protocol is 16mg of T daily and 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days, so far I feel the same on this protocol as with 20mg of T daily. I'm planning on doing labs March 5th, 12 weeks after I started this new protocol.

Tks Vince. Do you have a TT goal in mind? I feel good around 1200 and that had been my goal

 

[LTChris]

I have a consult coming up next week and will discuss it first.

 

[Vince Carter]

There is absolutely a trough in daily CYP, saying otherwise or even inferring too strongly that it's "stable" is a bit of a misnomer when the facts are that the peak and the trough are merely not so far apart, that up/down is much less pronounced.

Stating that there's no trough or saying "stable levels" is completely wrong.

 

[Vince]

Tks Vince. Do you have a TT goal in mind? I feel good around 1200 and that had been my goal

My main goal is to feel good, then have good levels of E2, DHT, SHBG and HCT. Hopefully my T level will be able to be around 1200.

 

[Vince]

There is absolutely a trough in daily CYP, saying otherwise or even inferring too strongly that it's "stable" is a bit of a misnomer when the facts are that the peak and the trough are merely not so far apart, that up/down is much less pronounced.

Stating that there's no trough or saying "stable levels" is completely wrong.

I would have to agree, we all must have some kind of peaks and valleys, even with daily injections.

 

[ratbag]

100mg of T and 500iu of HCG very 3 1/2 days ​

T 1183 FT 38.9

20mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days

T>1500 FT 39.4​

Vince I'm having trouble with this. If you took 100mg T twice a week that = 200mg/week but you say you switched to ED injections of 20mg which = 140mg/week?

Presently your taking 16mg T daily which = 112mg/week

200 divided by 7 = 28.57mg/day

 

[Vince]

Vince I'm having trouble with this. If you took 100mg T twice a week that = 200mg/week but you say you switched to ED injections of 20mg which = 140mg/week?

Presently your taking 16mg T daily which = 112mg/week

200 divided by 7 = 28.57mg/day

Even though I'm feeling great now at 16 mg a day I was also feeling great at 20 mg a day. But honestly I thought my numbers were just too far out of whack.
I took a peek at my Labs
https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?12800-I-took-a-peek-at-my-Labs

 

[ratbag]

I still don't understand your first post in this thread. When you were E3.5D were you taking 200mg T per week? Because your first post implies that and if so when you switched to injections every day you started at 20mg daily? Because if so it's less than 200mg/week. Just trying to figure out what you were at originally and what dosage you started ED with. From what you posted they are different amounts. Or was that intentional?

 

[Vince]

I started at 22 mg a day, got tested after 6 weeks, levels were too high. Lowered to 20 mg a day for 6 months, levels were actually even higher. So we decided on 16 mg a day.