Pls advise optimal timing of TRT gel use in relation to workouts !

[drewnLA]

I am 62, have been using topical testo gel more than 20 years, nightly up until recently.

Sadly, I am ignorant of when the gel should be expected to best "kick in" after application.

I do resistance training 2 x / week, always at night (not limber enough during the day). I apply testo just a little before bed--has a relaxation effect.

Have started on a "tapering down" regimen of using the testo gel 4 X week. (Can relate why if asked..)

So, can an expert advise?: Should I FAVOR with testo gel application:

A) The night BEFORE one of my two weekly workouts & the night OF the workout, OR

B) Perform a workout "dry" (without having done a gel application the previous night), then slather on gel following the workout before bed and again the next night following ?

Whichever approach chosen will mean two consecutive nightly applications I'd be performing twice per week. I basically need to learn whether A or B would be optimal for muscularity and strength in relation to the workouts.

Thanx muchly

 

[bbex2014]

I am 62, have been using topical testo gel more than 20 years, nightly up until recently.

Sadly, I am ignorant of when the gel should be expected to best "kick in" after application.

I do resistance training 2 x / week, always at night (not limber enough during the day). I apply testo just a little before bed--has a relaxation effect.

Have started on a "tapering down" regimen of using the testo gel 4 X week. (Can relate why if asked..)

So, can an expert advise?: Should I FAVOR with testo gel application:

A) The night BEFORE one of my two weekly workouts & the night OF the workout, OR

B) Perform a workout "dry" (without having done a gel application the previous night), then slather on gel following the workout before bed and again the next night following ?

Whichever approach chosen will mean two consecutive nightly applications I'd be performing twice per week. I basically need to learn whether A or B would be optimal for muscularity and strength in relation to the workouts.

Thanx muchly

I’m not an expert, but I am curious as to why you will not be applying the gel daily? Is it possible for you to switch to a compounded 200mg/ml cream so that you have less product to absorb to get what you need? I’m on test cream and it peaks about 2 or 3 hours after application, not sure if the gel is the same. Either way, hope someone can get you the answers you need.

 

[madman]

I am 62, have been using topical testo gel more than 20 years, nightly up until recently.

Sadly, I am ignorant of when the gel should be expected to best "kick in" after application.

I do resistance training 2 x / week, always at night (not limber enough during the day). I apply testo just a little before bed--has a relaxation effect.

Have started on a "tapering down" regimen of using the testo gel 4 X week. (Can relate why if asked..)

So, can an expert advise?: Should I FAVOR with testo gel application:

A) The night BEFORE one of my two weekly workouts & the night OF the workout, OR

B) Perform a workout "dry" (without having done a gel application the previous night), then slather on gel following the workout before bed and again the next night following ?

Whichever approach chosen will mean two consecutive nightly applications I'd be performing twice per week. I basically need to learn whether A or B would be optimal for muscularity and strength in relation to the workouts.

Thanx muchly

Pointless to taper let alone use 4 times weekly as transdermals are meant to be applied daily at the same time each day to achieve healthy TT/FT levels which will result in relief/improvements of low-t symptoms and increased overall well being!

When using transdermals testosterone levels will peak within the first 3-4 hrs.

Application of Vogelxo (transdermal gel) has been shown to reach peak T levels at 4 hrs.

Forget worrying about the A/B as you stated......you need to be far more concerned with maintaining consistency.....daily application will result in maintaining healthy TT/FT levels which will have a far greater effect on strength/minor muscular gains.....let alone relief/improvement of low-t symptoms and increased overall well being which is critical to your overall health as oppose to worrying about when T levels will peak.....let alone when using an inferior application protocol!

You need to find a new doctor that will treat you based on relief/improvement of low-t symptoms.....not just numbers!

As I stated in your previous thread.....you need to post your blood work so we can see where your TT/FT/E2 levels sat on such protocol (2 pumps gel before bed/1 pump gel before bed).

 

[madman]

Again hard to believe one would achieve a healthy TT/FT level using 2 pumps (12.5 mg strength) daily.....let alone 1 pump!

The starting dose for most transdermals is 50 mg strength and in many cases men need 100 mg/day to achieve higher TT/FT levels.

When using transdermals (gel/cream).....standard body application.....only 9-14% of the dose is absorbed!

 

[Match]

The Gel I bought says it's 100mg a day and the absorption is over 90%. So the announcement will be false? I haven't started using

 

[madman]

The Gel I bought says it's 100mg a day and the absorption is over 90%. So the announcement will be false? I haven't started using

Absorption when using transdermal T (gel/cream) standard application is 9-14% at best!

No way you are getting 90% absorption let alone even when applied scrotal.

 

[madman]

When using big pharma AndroGel®/FORTESTA®/TESTIM®/VOGELXO® the strength is only 1-2% so a fair amount of gel needs to be applied.

AndroGel® is available in 1.0% and 1.62% concentrations (packet/pump).

A common starting dose for Androgel 1% was 50mg T/day (5 g of gel/1 packet) which would be roughly 5 mg T/day and in most cases, men would only hit a mid-normal T level at best.

Most men would need the higher end dose of 100 mg T/day (10 g of gel) which would be roughly 10 mg T/day to achieve a high-end or in some cases very high T level.

Some men are poor responders when using transdermal T as they have issues with absorption.

In some cases switching over to a higher concentration compounded T cream is all that may be needed.

Many end up using compounded transdermal T creams as the strength is much higher 5-20%.

Much less needs to be applied let alone the overall cost of the medication is much cheaper.

Most are using 20% strength (200mg/mL) and unfortunately many end up on that 200 mg T twice daily application protocol which would surely result in absurdly high TT/FT levels.

Many can easily achieve healthy let alone very high T levels on much less especially when applied strictly scrotal.

 

[Systemlord]

The Gel I bought says it's 100mg a day and the absorption is over 90%. So the announcement will be false?

Yes it's false, even the 20% 200mg creams absorb 9-14% at best as Madman stated.

 

[Match]

Even with the use of moisturizing lotion or sunscreen, as they said in the forum, absorption does not improve, okay? The Compound T Cream what would it be?