Permanent crash of estrogen?

[Zibernet]

Besides getting your knowledge on B-vitamins and C working as important cofactors which there seems to not be any evidences of zinc needing the B-vitamins (all) I am assuming to make zinc “work” and by important I am assuming having (direct) effects? If so then I haven’t seen any studies regarding this except maybe Vitamin B6 where it would compliment with zinc to help it work better. Have you even tried to just let go of the B-complex supplement and get it from your food instead?

Good idea, will try

Maybe you can even just supplement B6 & B1 but get the other’s from your food instead. People tend to get so distracted or caught up in this rigid mindset of theories that are backed up by non-conclusive evidences to the point where it fear-mongers them from actually trying out themselves to see if it is benefitting them or not benefitting them. People who just get B-vitamins from their regular diet still are able to reduce their copper levels via zinc supplementation without having to supplement unnecessarily with B-Complex and Vitamin C based on anecdotal evidence and regular studies conducted on copper depletion. Also regarding Vitamin A, it isn’t a toxin like how you would make it up to be because obviously the body needs it so getting from food is important for the function of many things like LH, Testosterone, modulation of cortisol enzymes and receptors. Many people benefit a lot from vitamin A supplementation or food intake for a long time and never experience negative effects but positive effects while ones who experience negative effects are such an extremely rare case of minority groups to the point where you can reasonably say that if they supplement or try out any other vitamins and minerals they would also experience negative effects which points to other biological problem in their body. If Vitamin A were a bad thing then it would 100% not exist but everything in our body exists for a reason to serve for a certain function but we just have to be smart about our choices to determine which one deserves to be modulated more to lower it or to increase or sensitize or to desensitize to benefit our health or not. But regardless of this, have you even considered not actually taking B-Complex supplements and just a little bit of C via supplementation unless you drink orange juice or other Vitamin C rich foods? Portioning and playing around and taking out certain dosages can help make you find the right dosage for alleviation. Also do you have any idea how your copper levels raised that high according to your hair analysis?

Drinking 1.5L of water everyday for 3 years from copper pipes.

 

[Gman86]

Besides getting your knowledge on B-vitamins and C working as important cofactors which there seems to not be any evidences of zinc needing the B-vitamins (all) I am assuming to make zinc “work” and by important I am assuming having (direct) effects? If so then I haven’t seen any studies regarding this except maybe Vitamin B6 where it would compliment with zinc to help it work better. Have you even tried to just let go of the B-complex supplement and get it from your food instead? Maybe you can even just supplement B6 & B1 but get the other’s from your food instead. People tend to get so distracted or caught up in this rigid mindset of theories that are backed up by non-conclusive evidences to the point where it fear-mongers them from actually trying out themselves to see if it is benefitting them or not benefitting them. People who just get B-vitamins from their regular diet still are able to reduce their copper levels via zinc supplementation without having to supplement unnecessarily with B-Complex and Vitamin C based on anecdotal evidence and regular studies conducted on copper depletion. Also regarding Vitamin A, it isn’t a toxin like how you would make it up to be because obviously the body needs it so getting from food is important for the function of many things like LH, Testosterone, modulation of cortisol enzymes and receptors. Many people benefit a lot from vitamin A supplementation or food intake for a long time and never experience negative effects but positive effects while ones who experience negative effects are such an extremely rare case of minority groups to the point where you can reasonably say that if they supplement or try out any other vitamins and minerals they would also experience negative effects which points to other biological problem in their body. If Vitamin A were a bad thing then it would 100% not exist but everything in our body exists for a reason to serve for a certain function but we just have to be smart about our choices to determine which one deserves to be modulated more to lower it or to increase or sensitize or to desensitize to benefit our health or not. But regardless of this, have you even considered not actually taking B-Complex supplements and just a little bit of C via supplementation unless you drink orange juice or other Vitamin C rich foods? Portioning and playing around and taking out certain dosages can help make you find the right dosage for alleviation. Also do you have any idea how your copper levels raised that high according to your hair analysis?

Well said. Especially about retinol. I’m not as confident, in regards to vitamin A from plant sources, but retinol absolutely isn’t a toxin, and is extremely beneficial/ needed for the body to function optimally. But just like with everything else, when it comes to the body functioning optimally, balance is key. So obv too little retinol can be a problem, as well as too much

 

[silverlining]

I believe our wellbeing is not solely based on just our Estrogen, or Estrogen to Testosterone ratio, but a ratio of all 3 combined of Estrogen: DHT: Testosterone.

We all had a state of crashed estrogen for a prolonged time, likely enough to heavily desensitize our Estrogen receptors. Even though we stop using aromatase inhibitors and our blood levels show normal E2 and DHT levels, our receptors are desensitized to a point where we are getting more pronounced effects from DHT and less from E2, throwing this balance off and causing all of these issues.

By blocking the conversion to DHT, we are now balancing the ratio of effect on our E2 and DHT RECEPTORS (not blood levels, as I think this is inaccurate in our case).... and also very slightly causing an increase in conversion to E2 since less Testosterone is being converted to DHT.

I don't think progesterone or pregnenolone are issues at play here.

That's the best theory I can think of

Hey, I am also facing crashed e2 symptoms for more than 2 months almost. Your theory sounds plausible but instead of fin what if we introduced e2 valerate injections, and low dose testosterone? The added exogenous estrogen will balance the ratios? It's the same theory as you, the only difference is instead of lowering/stopping dht, I am supplementing e2? Idk if I make sense or not but lot of people over here get positive results after adding e2 valerate.

 

[silverlining]

Hey, I am also facing crashed e2 symptoms for more than 2 months almost. Your theory sounds plausible but instead of fin what if we introduced e2 valerate injections, and low dose testosterone? The added exogenous estrogen will balance the ratios? It's the same theory as you, the only difference is instead of lowering/stopping dht, I am supplementing e2? Idk if I make sense or not but lot of people over here get positive results after adding e2 valerate.

Bump!