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[Observer]

Around 3 years now I think. There was a period of time where I was only injecting ventroglutes daily, so each side was being hit every other day. After some months of that I did start to develop some soreness which suggested I was doing damage. Every 4 days though seems totally sustainable, provided the needles and injection volumes are on the smaller side.

Interesting, good to know that extra time seems to allow sustainable healing.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

This is my shallow IM technique when I use hCG plus testosterone. 90 degrees on shoulders. I use 27 gauge 1/2 inch.

Thread 'Nelson Vergel 's Testosterone plus HCG Protocol'

Dec 12, 2016

The Use of HCG to Prevent / Reverse Testicular Shrinkage and Preserve Fertility

• HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) is produced by human placenta, sterile product derived from urine of pregnant females. Recombinant DNA formulas are produced by pharmaceutical companies and compounding pharmacies.

• In men HCG mimics LH from pituitary to stimulate Leydig cells of testes to produce testosterone.

• It can have an additive effect to testosterone replacement therapy's ( TRT) increases in estradiol, hematocrit and/or acne

• Normal lyophilized vial contains...

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[juanchitox06]

Hi! Yesterday I received the new Kelite testosterone with Miglyol 840; I injected it subcutaneously using a 29g 1/2" needle, and right now I don't have any lump or pain.

 

[Observer]

IM everyday here, rotating ventroglutes and quads (outside side, much better than anything towards the top). Like Phil, I've determined every 4 days is a sustainable interval to poke the same muscle long term without damage, provided you use small gauge needles. I also try to slightly vary the injection spot over time.

I'm curious on the thinking of going with quads instead of delts. Doesn't IM in quads usually have more potential for issues? I'm asking as someone with no experience.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I'm curious on the thinking of going with quads instead of delts. Doesn't IM in quads usually have more potential for issues? I'm asking as someone with no experience.

Quads have potential for issues when you inject the top/front of the quad, and what we mean by "issues" here is hitting a nerve and experiencing distinctly unpleasant sensations as a result.

You will not have issues injecting the outside side of the quad (90 degrees off from the top center if you were looking at a cross-section of the leg, 9 or 3 o'clock on a clock). It took me a long time to figure this out actually, as the typical recommendation is to inject the outer third of the quad, which I took to mean injecting the top of your thigh as viewed from a seated position, towards the outer edge. Nope, you'll hit nerves doing that, as I discovered repeatedly. You want to inject the SIDE of your leg, not the top.

Delts are a great choice for most people, but mine leak oil for some reason, with any needle shorter than 1". I don't understand why, and it is the only injection site where I've ever experienced leakage. A more common issue some have is insufficient flexibility to reach across the body to self-administer a delt injection.

 

[Observer]

Quads have potential for issues when you inject the top/front of the quad, and what we mean by "issues" here is hitting a nerve and experiencing distinctly unpleasant sensations as a result.

You will not have issues injecting the outside side of the quad (90 degrees off from the top center if you were looking at a cross-section of the leg, 9 or 3 o'clock on a clock). It took me a long time to figure this out actually, as the typical recommendation is to inject the outer third of the quad, which I took to mean injecting the top of your thigh as viewed from a seated position, towards the outer edge. Nope, you'll hit nerves doing that, as I discovered repeatedly. You want to inject the SIDE of your leg, not the top.

Delts are a great choice for most people, but mine leak oil for some reason, with any needle shorter than 1". I don't understand why, and it is the only injection site where I've ever experienced leakage. A more common issue some have is insufficient flexibility to reach across the body to self-administer a delt injection.

Great explanation, thanks.

 

[juanchitox06]

Quads have potential for issues when you inject the top/front of the quad, and what we mean by "issues" here is hitting a nerve and experiencing distinctly unpleasant sensations as a result.

You will not have issues injecting the outside side of the quad (90 degrees off from the top center if you were looking at a cross-section of the leg, 9 or 3 o'clock on a clock). It took me a long time to figure this out actually, as the typical recommendation is to inject the outer third of the quad, which I took to mean injecting the top of your thigh as viewed from a seated position, towards the outer edge. Nope, you'll hit nerves doing that, as I discovered repeatedly. You want to inject the SIDE of your leg, not the top.

Delts are a great choice for most people, but mine leak oil for some reason, with any needle shorter than 1". I don't understand why, and it is the only injection site where I've ever experienced leakage. A more common issue some have is insufficient flexibility to reach across the body to self-administer a delt injection.

sorry bro, english its not muy mother lenguage, can you put a pic about the site of the injecction? i tryed translate and dont understand nether

 

[Observer]

@FunkOdyssey does this video demonstrate what you're describing closely enough?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

@FunkOdyssey does this video demonstrate what you're describing closely enough?

No, that's where you inject if you want to hit nerves. Needs to be further down on the side of the leg like this:

 

[Observer]

No, that's where you inject if you want to hit nerves. Needs to be further down on the side of the leg like this:

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Good clarification.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Good clarification.

Here's the website that image came from in case it's helpful, has the complete process: Patients & Families | UW Health

I don't do the skin spreading thing personally. Nor is pulling back on the plunger necessary -- you aren't going to reach any significant artery with these little needles.

 

[juanchitox06]

No, that's where you inject if you want to hit nerves. Needs to be further down on the side of the leg like this:

View attachment 58072

i survive!!!!!! really was painless, lets see if i will have lumps .

thank for your advices!!

 

[Observer]

@FunkOdyssey since we're going through details of how it should be done, do you think this other video is accurate for ventroglute IM? It almost looks more like he injects in the glute rather than ventroglute in the demonstration.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

@FunkOdyssey since we're going through details of how it should be done, do you think this other video is accurate for ventroglute IM? It almost looks more like he injects in the glute rather than ventroglute in the demonstration.

Yeah that video is for the glute not ventroglute. These are different muscles. I'm back to not being able to insert or attach images (@Nelson Vergel) but if you search ventroglute injection site you'll find it.

The area you can use is larger than depicted in the official images, so don't be too concerned that you'll miss the perfect spot. Just poke around the muscle in the side of your hip with your fingers while you shift weight onto and off of that leg, and you'll feel where the muscle is versus the bone / connective tissue. You can also visually see the muscle flexing and bulging out in many cases. Inject anywhere in the middle of it.

 

[Observer]

Yeah that video is for the glute not ventroglute. These are different muscles. I'm back to not being able to insert or attach images (@Nelson Vergel) but if you search ventroglute injection site you'll find it.

The area you can use is larger than depicted in the official images, so don't be too concerned that you'll miss the perfect spot. Just poke around the muscle in the side of your hip with your fingers while you shift weight onto and off of that leg, and you'll feel where the muscle is versus the bone / connective tissue. You can also visually see the muscle flexing and bulging out in many cases. Inject anywhere in the middle of it.

Right, I've been searching for videos and images. I think what was throwing me off is the inclusion of the word "glute" in ventroglute. The actual injection site seems more like the meaty area of the hip. And similar to the quad injection, it's actually at 9 or 3 o'clock.

Thanks for the clarification, and great tip about shifting weight to help find it.

 

[woaigongzuo]

Welcome from Chicago. I just posted my own intro a minute ago. This board looks more organized than most health forums I have lurked on.