"Needing" 300mg a week

[camygod]

I have been following this guy for a while because he seems to chant constantly experiment on himself and I do find it interesting
He does come across as someone who knows less than he thinks but now he seems to think he needs trt at 300mg to feel best for him and that it's not a a cycle
Is this information really safe to he spreading as
Over 250mg can be a cycle for most guys
Each to their own I just find it strange that he suddenly feels 280mg of prop a week which gets your levels higher than 400mg of cyp a week is going to be healthy long term.
Anyway just thought it was interesting

From 11 mins in

 

[captain]

Is a doctor prescribing it? Over the years I learned that the high dose TRT was recommended by a handfull of doctors. They are the only ones that will prescribe it. Ever wonder why that is?

You fall for people coming on here saying this BS and try it yourself finding you have to manage all the side effects from being over dosed. All you are doing is lining the doctor's pocket. Offer something you can't get anywhere else and get some idiots to come on here and promote it.

 

[Seagal]

I have been following this guy for a while because he seems to chant constantly experiment on himself and I do find it interesting
He does come across as someone who knows less than he thinks but now he seems to think he needs trt at 300mg to feel best for him and that it's not a a cycle
Is this information really safe to he spreading as
Over 250mg can be a cycle for most guys
Each to their own I just find it strange that he suddenly feels 280mg of prop a week which gets your levels higher than 400mg of cyp a week is going to be healthy long term.
Anyway just thought it was interesting

From 11 mins in

This guy seems to have a TRT eureka every week....

 

[camygod]

This guy seems to have a TRT eureka every week....

That's a bingo
Each to their own but it's the fact he says he needs 80mg EOD for trt for him when of course it might feel good because your running a small cycle and your dopamine will be through the roof I just don't know if it's good long term
And I know there is theories that we need to run a bit more exogenous test than what we naturally produce
But don't know if running 3000ng at peak is needed
Wonder what @RobRoy thinks
I used to be very close minded but I understand everyone reacts differently and for sure some need more than others
But he keeps parroting that 300mg isn't a cycle and I would beg to differ as I know many who have started at 250mg and got decent gains for a cycle not trt

 

[Seagal]

That's a bingo
Each to their own but it's the fact he says he needs 80mg EOD for trt for him when of course it might feel good because your running a small cycle and your dopamine will be through the roof I just don't know if it's good long term
And I know there is theories that we need to run a bit more exogenous test than what we naturally produce
But don't know if running 3000ng at peak is needed
Wonder what @RobRoy thinks
I used to be very close minded but I understand everyone reacts differently and for sure some need more than others
But he keeps parroting that 300mg isn't a cycle and I would beg to differ as I know many who have started at 250mg and got decent gains for a cycle not trt

I sort of followed the strategy of RobRoy.... I increased the dose until I felt well. If there is relevance of the T/E ratio then one can improve that by increasing the dose instead of using an AI.

 

[camygod]

I sort of followed the strategy of RobRoy.... I increased the dose until I felt well. If there is relevance of the T/E ratio then one can improve that by increasing the dose instead of using an AI.

I just think this cotex lab guy wants to feel like he is a teenager again and I understand but to me that isn't what trt should be anyway
Good luck in way to fat at moment to be running high doses and understand as you get leaner and fitter you can get away with way more but he is having to use a ai running 80mg EOD

 

[FunkOdyssey]

He does come across as someone who knows less than he thinks but now he seems to think he needs trt at 300mg to feel best for him and that it's not a a cycle
Is this information really safe to he spreading as
Over 250mg can be a cycle for most guys

He didn't say he needs 300 mg. He said he's found personally and with clients that if you can find a way to tolerate the higher doses, you might feel better on them. In my opinion, I see a lot of the sour grapes phenomenon here, where some people don't have good experiences with high doses, and then engage in a mix of disparaging and judgmental comments towards anyone that makes it work and the concept of higher dosing generally.

He also didn't say these high doses are safe or optimal for longevity, just that he's seeing some people feeling best on them. Important distinction.

 

[camygod]

He didn't say he needs 300 mg. He said he's found personally and with clients that if you can find a way to tolerate the higher doses, you might feel better on them. In my opinion, I see a lot of the sour grapes phenomenon here, where some people don't have good experiences with high doses, and then engage in a mix of disparaging and judgmental comments towards anyone that makes it work and the concept of higher dosing generally.

He also didn't say these high doses are safe or optimal for longevity, just that he's seeing some people feeling best on them. Important distinction.

It's not sour grapes I'm just interested if it's safe
And the man constantly changes his protocol and wants to be a teenager but each to their own
He clearly showed in his podcast with vigorous Steve that he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does
Typical American sales man trying to get in on the trt guru market good luck

 

[Willyt]

How the hell anyone can sleep on 300mg per week is beyond me. I would be strung out in no time. Even 70mg per week jacks me through the roof.

But no way 300mg weekly is sustainable long term. It will bite him eventually and then he can post another dozen videos lol

 

[camygod]

How the hell anyone can sleep on 300mg per week is beyond me. I would be strung out in no time. Even 70mg per week jacks me through the roof.

But no way 300mg weekly is sustainable long term. It will bite him eventually and then he can post another dozen videos lol

Yea prop is very stimulating but I guess you can get used to it
I'm sure he will change his protocol next month anyway

 

[t_spacemonkey]

I do well on 210mg Tprop. and i am super sensitive get anxious quick guy. ~35mg/day is my upper limit, and I don[t think it is due to e2. just too revved up, tried 40mg/day and definitely too much, but I do believe that there is a very few guys who need 300mg/week to feel good.
there is no data that 300mg is harmful - other then excessive hematocrit/hemoglobin levels and things this could cause - but even on that no good data. but not all guys get this issue. high e2 could also cause problems in some.

 

[camygod]

I do well on 210mg Tprop. and i am super sensitive get anxious quick guy. ~35mg/day is my upper limit, and I don[t think it is due to e2. just too revved up, tried 40mg/day and definitely too much, but I do believe that there is a very few guys who need 300mg/week to feel good.
there is no data that 300mg is harmful - other then excessive hematocrit/hemoglobin levels and things this could cause - but even on that no good data. but not all guys get this issue. high e2 could also cause problems in some.

Do you used HCG or just Prop on its own ?
And need to control estrogen?
Anyway if it works for you and your healthy and bloods are good then I'm sure it's fine for you

 

[t_spacemonkey]

Do you used HCG or just Prop on its own ?
And need to control estrogen?
Anyway if it works for you and your healthy and bloods are good then I'm sure it's fine for you

with HCG, i recently lowered it to 3x500IU. no AI or anything, my e2 ~50pg/ml

 

[camygod]

with HCG, i recently lowered it to 3x500IU. no AI or anything, my e2 ~50pg/ml

And presumably you feel good libido energy ect?

 

[granger]

more opiates make most people feel "optimal" aswell. work longer hours, focus on shitty tasks, and fuck for hours on end.. but that doesnt mean its "good".. that goes for adderal aswell and antidepressant, im not sure where the decoupling happens for guys but its all to present.

 

[camygod]

more opiates make most people feel "optimal" aswell. work longer hours, focus on shitty tasks, and fuck for hours on end.. but that doesnt mean its "good".. that goes for adderal aswell and antidepressant, im not sure where the decoupling happens for guys but its all to present.

That's why my thinking was
Where is the point when " Optimal"s just completely unatural
I know injection trt isn't natural but I always thought it's about replacing your test to relatively normal levels
Some people can handle higher levels of hormones but we would never be over 2000ng of test naturally so surely running doses that push you over that cannot be great even just for your dopamine to down regulate at some point
Just surely there is no free ride
As someone who has abused other drugs in past I know this
I know testosterone isn't a drug but in no way shape or form would we ever have those kind of levels even in puberty it can't be good long term
But maybe I'm completely wrong who knows

 

[granger]

testosterone is 10000% a drug, super powerful one that affects ever system in the body. again, to my point, funny how people somehow decouple testosterone from being a drug like anything else and "more is better". least amount should be used to get rid of side effects anything more is abuse, the thought should never be take as much of a drug that makes you feel good till side effects are too instant to ignore lol.

yes u can use dmt or opiate or adderal or test to increase dopamine and dopamine response all have benefits and downfalls as you say, no free lunch ever.

also would like to point out folks somehow justify high numbers saying 900 in my trough is within normal range... well not really true as young men may have 900 levels but for a few hours a day and drop down to 400 - 450 or so and goes up or down according to environmental factors which is VERY VERY different than being 900+ for 24 hrs a day 7 days a week.

amazing what these money grubbing fancy car driving facial botox getting (yes progressive Dr asking questions is good but i prefer real scientists who arent fast talking salesman type) DRs have done to promote such over RX of hormones and if you have been around these people they prove anything they want in there studies, so NEVER trust a few studies that seem to say exact opposite of decades of research and clinical experiences of the ethical DRs.. at anyrate the TRT boom has a few years left and things will start swinging the otherway. Too many pill mills rx 200mg a week JUST like the opiate pill mills or adderall pill mills or fat loss mills, or med cannabis mills (esp for 115 lb ladies getting on ozempic with good a1c just so they can be 100lb). of course some good comes out of pill mills, perhaps lowered HIV and HEPC as people took pills instead of street drugs, medical cannabis increased use (amounts prob not % of kids that had used it though) which now led to legalization and keep farmer joe out of jail or kids from getting criminal records etc. anyhoo on a rant lol

 

[aloetard]

Who here is banging 500 a week for feelZ? @Gman86 I want to apologize for giving you a hard time in the past. I could have been more diplomatic. @FunkOdyssey is right you are a nice dude on here.

 

[camygod]

Who here is banging 500 a week for feelZ? @Gman86 I want to apologize for giving you a hard time in the past. I could have been more diplomatic. @FunkOdyssey is right you are a nice dude on here.

Well cortex lab is now
At least he is finally doing a full blown cycle the selfish part of me is interested to see how he feels and how it goes

 

[aloetard]

Well cortex lab is now
At least he is finally doing a full blown cycle the selfish part of me is interested to see how he feels and how it goes

I would embarrassed to leave the house that small on 300 a week. No judgement lol.