Nandrolone Therapy as HRT
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DixieWrecked
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Nelson knows a ton about this. I'd love to hear peoples' experiences too.
madman
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Are we doing reruns here again?
Does anyone use Nandrolone (Deca Durabolin) ?
When it comes to pure strength/mass gains most would take T any day over ND unless they are sensitive to the possible side-effects when using high doses. You say it correctly. Most would. And that's why most people belive that testosterone is the best too, as you. But when we comes to reality...
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The main reason testosterone is used for replacement therapy over nandrolone let alone any other AAS is that testosterone drugs provide a hormone that is already produced in the body.
Let alone metabolites estradiol and DHT are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of testosterones beneficial effects on (cardiovascular health, brain health, libido, erectile function, bone health, tendon health, immune system, lipids, and body composition).
*Natural testosterone is viewed as the best androgen for substitution in hypogonadal men. The reason behind the selection is that testosterone can be converted to DHT and E2, thus developing the full spectrum of testosterone activities in long-term substitution
*Preparations of native testosterone or its esters (aromatizable T) should be used for TTh
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tareload
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Friends don't let friends use nandrolone monotherapy as HRT. Key letter in HRT is the R as in replacement.
Here's a little research project for you. What's the ratio of endogenous testosterone to nandrolone concentrations in the typical healthy 20 year old male?
Here's a little research project for you. What's the ratio of endogenous testosterone to nandrolone concentrations in the typical healthy 20 year old male?
bochinit
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Hey guys, I'm not a noob in this world. What I'm asking for is why and how Nandrolone was/are pescribed as monoterapy for people without testosterone. There's know people doing Deca Only cycles/hrt as they claim based on those HIV people and fisiculturists from the 70's.
Does anyone know someting about it? I'm not asking about trt test, I am on it already for some time. I'm asking about this subject Deca Only.
Does anyone know someting about it? I'm not asking about trt test, I am on it already for some time. I'm asking about this subject Deca Only.
Those with HIV and using nandrolone may not exactly go around advertising their HIV status, and then additionally telling people that their dick doesn't work (deca dick). Society (wrongly) would probably bash them for trying to have sex. So their probably keep quiet (moreso than others).
I'm not saying this is the way to treat others, or that its politically correct etc. I'm just mentioning this to point out that the sample may be highly biased for these reasons.
Vince
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One (or 3) reason is 3 Reasons for "Deca D*ck"
bochinit
Active Member
Yeah go ahead and fk with someone who HIV. Come on. Your answer is so imoral e stupid dude, and i'm not here searching for stupid talk nor bro science.
I thoug I'd find serious people here.
Good question. HIV patients’ primary goal with utilizing nandrolone therapy is to reverse the effects of cachexia (muscle wasting). Their goal is not to replace testosterone. There is a head to head study demonstrating that 100 mg of nandrolone yields more lean tissue growth than 100 mg of testosterone. As such, utilizing low dose nandrolone over testosterone would have been the therapy of choice for those with cachexia.
For those of us on TRT, our goal is to replace our natural testosterone so that normal physiological functions can continue. When it comes to physiological functions such as neurological functions, sexual function, among others, testosterone and its metabolites (estrogen and DHT) are central to facilitating those functions.
Nandrolone does not possess the same qualities in terms of facilitating neurological function or sexual function that testosterone does. In fact, nandrolone has been shown to produce neurotoxic effects and reduce sexual function.
Using nandrolone without testosterone would be appropriate for an HIV patient with cachexia whose goal was reversing muscle wasting. For a TRT patient, restoring testosterone levels with the goal of facilitating vital physiological processes such as neurological function is the key focus. Would it be more optimal for an HIV patient to utilize both nandrolone and testosterone. Sure.
@Nelson Vergel how did u feel mentally and sexually while on nandrolone monotherapy for all those years? And what dose of nandrolone were u on when u were running it by itself?
He talks about it here. You’ve already asked him this and he’s already responded.
TRT to Supraphysiological Levels for Body Building
Your first question doesn't follow from the information above. Perhaps you could rephrase as "Why are you so jaded about abuse of exogenous testosterone to raise T levels to above physiologic range in a subject with fully functional HPTA?" or something like that. Then yeah, I'd agree I'm jaded...
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He didn’t really go into detail about using nandrolone by itself, which I was hoping he might do now. But maybe he didn’t use nandrolone by itself and it was always accompanied by test anytime he’s taken it. Was just hoping he would specify a bit more if he had timeHe talks about it here. You’ve already asked him this and he’s already responded.
TRT to Supraphysiological Levels for Body Building
Your first question doesn't follow from the information above. Perhaps you could rephrase as "Why are you so jaded about abuse of exogenous testosterone to raise T levels to above physiologic range in a subject with fully functional HPTA?" or something like that. Then yeah, I'd agree I'm jaded...
It would be a horrible protocol. I know there are a lot of bodybuilders who used to use this and a young healthy individual can get away with just using the Nandrolone for a couple of weeks – maybe 6 to 8 before things really go south.
In the bodybuilding world, under modern protocols there is the concept known as running a test base. That is - Regardless of the substance used, one needs to run a small dose of testosterone to keep your overall system functioning. And I’m not just talking about libido; testosterone has a number of other health benefits.
There is a channel called More Plates More Dates on YouTube in which the host did Nandrolone mono therapy and discussed the results - complete with detailed bloodwork.
Bottom line - it’s not a long term strategy.
In the bodybuilding world, under modern protocols there is the concept known as running a test base. That is - Regardless of the substance used, one needs to run a small dose of testosterone to keep your overall system functioning. And I’m not just talking about libido; testosterone has a number of other health benefits.
There is a channel called More Plates More Dates on YouTube in which the host did Nandrolone mono therapy and discussed the results - complete with detailed bloodwork.
Bottom line - it’s not a long term strategy.
Kev101
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Nandrolone is a very popular addition to Testosterone. By additing a second AAS, you can take less Testosterone (less negative side effects).
Nandrolone has pro/cons that differ from Testosterone.
I personally like to add multiple, lower doses AAS that would equal my normal 280-300mg/week Testosterone dose. IE 200 test, 100 Nandrolone and Oxandrolone (pulsing).
Note: People will argue anything that is new or outside of TRT. Don't be afraid to try new things, listen to your body and blood work. Don't force something and push through not feeling well. Otherwise, feel free to experiment!
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tareload
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Take a hard pass.
May be of interest:
Read This Before Considering Nandrolone or Any AAS
Usually I’d just leave this info “buried” in the other thread but it’s important enough to daylight it on the main page. Nandrolone based “HRT” and nandrolone use for joint/pain relief continues to garner much discussion and attention and it’s picking up. Please care for yourself. Your long...
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Remember MPMD is a well-meaning business major (IIRC). Entertainment and education potential are many times inversely correlated.
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tareload
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Nelson Vergel
Founder, ExcelMale.com
Hey Gman86, I never used nandrolone by itself. Always with testosterone.
I was younger back then and had no side effects beyond decreased HDL. Even my hematocrit stabilized after a few weeks. I used nandrolone 200 mg plus T cyp or enanthate 200 mg per week for several years. It wasn't until I got older that high blood pressure started giving me trouble. That is when I decided it was time to quit and stay on TRT.
I also tried nandrolone+ oxandrolone+ testosterone and oxandrolone+ testosterone on and off. I was lucky not only because nandrolone plus testosterone saved my life but also for how long I was on that combo with no problems.
You can read about how I started my journey in the first chapter "My Story" in the attached book (Built to Survive).
What does that put your blood levels at? I take 80mg/week of Test and that gets me to 900-1000 levels.
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