Hey guys, do any of you have any general numbers on how much higher your total test should be on day 7 (1 shot a week), for every 10 mg of cyp injected? I understand eveyone will metabolize it differently and all the other various lifestyle/environmental influences we have. My TRT doc said he's tracked increase/decrease in dose for many thousands of guys and gave me some numbers that seem hard to believe. Any thoughts?
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Vince Carter
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It doesn't work that way...far too many variables.
Loki
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For me 200 MG of test alone on day 7 I was very consistently in the 900-1000 Range... That is the only dose I have ever taken so I can't speak to variations... I did achieve similar numbers from Transdermal cream 150MG strength and applied it 1 Gram in the morning and 1 Gram at night.... Numbers varied but TT of 700-1000....
Vince Carter
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The only reason you were reading 900-1000 on 200mg of T is because you were likely far above 1500 for the 72hr half-life of TCyp. Assuming you received that T value having tested the morning of and before your next injection.
Loki
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Weekly shot was Wednesday Evening, blood draw Wednesday afternoon... So as far away from the previous shot as I could... Isn't the goal to be in that range at the low point?
Vince Carter
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It is just pointing out that you were still that high on a 7 day injection which translates to being off the charts high for 72hrs.
Some of these large clinics who have specialized in TRT for years and track dose/total test score for thousands of dudes might see some consistencies once they remove the outliers. They probably show a group who's numbers are way higher from an increase of 10 mg, others who's numbers don't move at all, and a majority, even if that's 51%, falling into a predictable range for every increase of 10 mg.
Mica
You might find It interesting to see where you are at directly after your shot. The HIGH point. One more set of "T" labs ran Thursday morning. That should have you near TOP of your range after your Wednesday shot, then the set ran on Wednesday morning for LOW point. Now you have 2 sets of numbers to look at and do a simple graph to see how fast you get down to your LOW range..... Just a thought....
You might find It interesting to see where you are at directly after your shot. The HIGH point. One more set of "T" labs ran Thursday morning. That should have you near TOP of your range after your Wednesday shot, then the set ran on Wednesday morning for LOW point. Now you have 2 sets of numbers to look at and do a simple graph to see how fast you get down to your LOW range..... Just a thought....
Loki
Member
I would be all for that... My consult is Tuesday and I will mention this... Is there any risk on that first 3 days being out of the range?
Jack Newell
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You should test peak Test. level at 48-72 hr after shot because of Test Cyp half life. If ur TROUGH level (Before weekly shot) is 1000 you will be crazy out of normal range 48-72 hr after shot. Most guys do well at 50-60 mg. 2x weekly.
I started TRT with that same dose. How do you keep your E2 in check with that? Has your estradiol not elevated?
Jack Newell
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Test. Cyp. has a 6 chain ester attached to the molecule. Ur body has to metabolize the ester chain before the testosterone molecule can be utilized by ur body. That's why ur peak Test level won't occur for 48-72 hr after Test Cyp shot. Test. propionate and Test ethanate have shorter ester chains, that's why they metabolize quicker. Test propionate is injected daily or EOD due to its short ester chain and half life with virtually no issues with estradiol.
I agree with Orrin. It's a good idea to know your peak and trough and work your way from there with labs. I was always told that your peak was 24 hours after injection, though. When I had labs run 24 hours after 100mgs, I was at 1300 but was occasionally at 1500 or higher (out of test range)
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