DragonBits
Well-Known Member
For those with a rising PSA level and concerns about prostate health, I thought I would give my results from taking this supplement.
I am reasonably certain my elevated PSA levels reflected a growth in my prostate and not prostatitis, as I had before and after DRE exams and the estimated size of my prostate increased.
Thankfully I didn’t have any LUTS, but IMO if my PSA level continued to increase and prostate grow, it was only a matter of when not if I would start having urinary problems, as in LUTS.
Taking LEF’s ultra prostate supplement, in less than 3 months, my PSA level dropped from 4.2 > 3.4. BUT I also stopped supplementing HCG and DHEA and continued with TRT testosterone solo.
LEF;s supplement is highly rated with most men reporting reduced PSA and better urine control. Looking at reviews, I didn’t see any negatives outside of it didn’t work 100% for everyone, but those that said it didn’t work were very few.
However, there is a downside.
In addition to PSA I wanted to see how this affected typical hormones related to prostate. After all, the only effective way I have seen to reduce prostate size is through reducing DHT. (I don’t think DHT causes prostate growth, but reducing DHT does shrink the prostate).
While currently I feel good, good libido and the blood test I did indicated the supplement dropped my PSA, it also affected many other hormones.
For the same Total T, my FT dropped from 40-50%, my DHT dropped 42%, E2 dropped 25% and DHEA dropped 25% below where it was BEFORE I started TRT.
Outside of DHEA, I am still way above where I started out with FT and E2, but if I weren’t on TRT my levels would really plummet. And all those hormones included DHEA and DHT are “in range” just now on the lower side of the range.
IMO the main reason I feel good right now if because I estimate my total T is around 1100, I didn’t test it but that is about where it should be looking at the past and I did test E2 which was 26 pg/ml, which also tended to confirm my guess about Total T.
If I let my total T get back down to 630, likely my FT would be ~8 pg/ml, dht ~43 ng/dl and E2 would be ~16 pg/ml, which is what I actually measured on a blood test when I also measured a total T of 630. Which is lower than I want those numbers to be.
One thing I am unable to test and is likely important, what are the tissue DHT concentrations in the prostate? Was this affected? Can I raise my serum level DHT while dropping my tissue level concentration? Will this combo of high serum low tissue DHT shrink the prostate? Is the lower FT and E2 important to the prostate? Likely I will never find the answer to those questions.
I am OK with PSA 3.4, it would be nice if it were lower giving me more room for an upside surprise, but I don’t want to continue this much longer. Sooner rather than later I will suspend taking this supplement while I will NOT go back to HCG with the expectation (hope) my PSA level will not go back up and FT, E2, DHT will rise. I do have some logical analysis / studies to suggest that is what will happen.
FWIW, I am ok with DHEA / pregnenolone supplements in the future, though I have read DHEA increases DHT, I don’t think elevated DHT actually causes prostate growth when your LH hormone is also low.
So for those with LUTS or rising PSA levels, I would recommend LEF’s Ultra Prostate formula as it really works for the majority of men.
I am reasonably certain my elevated PSA levels reflected a growth in my prostate and not prostatitis, as I had before and after DRE exams and the estimated size of my prostate increased.
Thankfully I didn’t have any LUTS, but IMO if my PSA level continued to increase and prostate grow, it was only a matter of when not if I would start having urinary problems, as in LUTS.
Taking LEF’s ultra prostate supplement, in less than 3 months, my PSA level dropped from 4.2 > 3.4. BUT I also stopped supplementing HCG and DHEA and continued with TRT testosterone solo.
LEF;s supplement is highly rated with most men reporting reduced PSA and better urine control. Looking at reviews, I didn’t see any negatives outside of it didn’t work 100% for everyone, but those that said it didn’t work were very few.
However, there is a downside.
In addition to PSA I wanted to see how this affected typical hormones related to prostate. After all, the only effective way I have seen to reduce prostate size is through reducing DHT. (I don’t think DHT causes prostate growth, but reducing DHT does shrink the prostate).
While currently I feel good, good libido and the blood test I did indicated the supplement dropped my PSA, it also affected many other hormones.
For the same Total T, my FT dropped from 40-50%, my DHT dropped 42%, E2 dropped 25% and DHEA dropped 25% below where it was BEFORE I started TRT.
Outside of DHEA, I am still way above where I started out with FT and E2, but if I weren’t on TRT my levels would really plummet. And all those hormones included DHEA and DHT are “in range” just now on the lower side of the range.
IMO the main reason I feel good right now if because I estimate my total T is around 1100, I didn’t test it but that is about where it should be looking at the past and I did test E2 which was 26 pg/ml, which also tended to confirm my guess about Total T.
If I let my total T get back down to 630, likely my FT would be ~8 pg/ml, dht ~43 ng/dl and E2 would be ~16 pg/ml, which is what I actually measured on a blood test when I also measured a total T of 630. Which is lower than I want those numbers to be.
One thing I am unable to test and is likely important, what are the tissue DHT concentrations in the prostate? Was this affected? Can I raise my serum level DHT while dropping my tissue level concentration? Will this combo of high serum low tissue DHT shrink the prostate? Is the lower FT and E2 important to the prostate? Likely I will never find the answer to those questions.
I am OK with PSA 3.4, it would be nice if it were lower giving me more room for an upside surprise, but I don’t want to continue this much longer. Sooner rather than later I will suspend taking this supplement while I will NOT go back to HCG with the expectation (hope) my PSA level will not go back up and FT, E2, DHT will rise. I do have some logical analysis / studies to suggest that is what will happen.
FWIW, I am ok with DHEA / pregnenolone supplements in the future, though I have read DHEA increases DHT, I don’t think elevated DHT actually causes prostate growth when your LH hormone is also low.
So for those with LUTS or rising PSA levels, I would recommend LEF’s Ultra Prostate formula as it really works for the majority of men.