Less estradiol with faster-acting testosterone?

Cataceous

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Just putting this out for discussion and comments. There have long been anecdotal suggestions that faster-acting testosterone leads to lower overall levels of estradiol. In particular, it's often claimed in regard to using testosterone propionate versus longer esters such as cypionate. It could also be applied to intramuscular versus subcutaneous injections, with the former being somewhat faster-acting. I don't know if it's true, but these days we can at least ask AI to flesh out the hypothesis. Here is Grok's take.

Is there evidence that differing patterns of serum testosterone at the same average level affect the activity or expression of aromatase?

Yes, there is indirect evidence suggesting that differing patterns of serum testosterone—such as pulsatile (short-acting, with higher peaks and troughs) versus sustained (longer-acting, with flatter profiles)—at the same average level can influence aromatase expression or activity, potentially leading to differences in estradiol production. This could explain observations of higher estradiol AUC with longer-acting testosterone forms, as seen in certain studies. Below, I'll outline the key evidence, mechanisms, and implications based on available research.

Evidence from Pharmacokinetic Studies

A key study by Weinbauer et al. (2003) directly addresses this in nonhuman primates (cynomolgus monkeys) treated with different testosterone esters to suppress spermatogenesis, while achieving comparable total testosterone exposure (AUC for testosterone did not differ significantly across groups).

  • Methods Overview: Adult male monkeys (n=30) were randomized to receive testosterone enanthate (TE, shorter-acting), testosterone undecanoate (TU, intermediate), or testosterone buciclate (TB, longer-acting) over 10 weeks, with doses adjusted to provide equivalent overall testosterone delivery.
  • Key Results on Estradiol: Despite similar testosterone AUC, the estradiol AUC was significantly higher with TB (the longest-acting form) compared to TE or TU. Specifically, estradiol levels were elevated more persistently in the TB group.
  • Explanation Provided: The authors attribute this to differences in pharmacokinetics rather than total dose. The sustained release profile of TB likely enhances the "degree of aromatization," leading to greater overall conversion to estradiol. They note that the flatter, prolonged testosterone exposure with longer-acting esters may favor more efficient or amplified aromatization, though they do not directly measure aromatase expression. This aligns with your hypothesis: at the same average testosterone level, the pattern matters for estrogenicity.
Similar patterns have been observed in human testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) contexts, where longer-acting formulations (e.g., undecanoate) sometimes result in higher estradiol relative to shorter-acting ones, even when average testosterone is matched, potentially due to how sustained levels interact with aromatization pathways.

Mechanisms Involving Aromatase Expression and Activity

Aromatase expression is not static and can be regulated by sex steroids, including testosterone and its metabolite estradiol. Evidence indicates that exposure patterns could differentially affect this regulation:

  • Testosterone-Induced Upregulation via Estradiol: Testosterone itself does not directly upregulate aromatase in all tissues, but its conversion to estradiol can create a positive feedback loop. In male murine aortic endothelial cells, testosterone treatment increased aromatase expression and estradiol production in a dose-dependent manner (e.g., a 1 µM dose led to a 580% increase in aromatase expression and 350% in estradiol production). Critically, this effect was blocked by aromatase inhibitors (e.g., anastrozole), indicating that the produced estradiol mediates the upregulation. Non-aromatizable androgens like dihydrotestosterone (DHT) decreased aromatase expression, confirming the role of estradiol in this feedback. This mechanism is also mediated by estrogen receptor alpha (ERα), as ERα knockout reduced the response.
  • Implications for Patterns: Sustained testosterone exposure (as with longer-acting esters) provides continuous substrate for initial aromatization, leading to prolonged estradiol production. This estradiol could then amplify aromatase expression over time, increasing overall conversion efficiency and estradiol AUC. In contrast, pulsatile patterns (higher peaks but troughs) might produce brief estradiol spikes insufficient for sustained upregulation, resulting in less cumulative aromatization despite the same average testosterone.
  • Tissue-Specific Effects: In adipose tissue (a major site of aromatization in men), obesity-related increases in aromatase are linked to elevated estradiol, creating a vicious cycle where estradiol may contribute to further aromatase induction via inflammatory or receptor-mediated pathways. In the brain, aromatase expression is higher in males and regulated by estradiol, influencing behaviors and potentially amplifying local conversion during sustained exposure. However, direct comparisons of pulsatile vs. sustained patterns on aromatase induction are limited, with most evidence coming from dose-response or inhibition studies rather than temporal profiles.
Potential Explanations for Higher Estradiol with Longer-Acting Forms
  • Positive Feedback Loop: The estradiol-mediated upregulation of aromatase creates a feed-forward effect that may be more pronounced with sustained testosterone, as it allows time for gene expression changes (e.g., via ERα activation). This could disproportionately increase estradiol AUC in longer-acting regimens, even at equivalent testosterone AUC, as observed in the Weinbauer study.
  • Other Contributing Factors: Sustained levels might reduce feedback suppression of gonadotropins differently, or alter local tissue dynamics (e.g., in fat or endothelium), favoring aromatization. In contrast, high peaks in shorter-acting forms could saturate aromatase temporarily without inducing more enzyme.
  • Clinical Relevance: In human TRT, aromatase inhibitors are sometimes used to manage elevated estradiol, supporting the idea that aromatization is dynamic and responsive to testosterone patterns. Studies in hypogonadal men show that blocking aromatization raises testosterone while lowering estradiol, but without pattern-specific data.
Limitations and Gaps
  • Direct evidence comparing pulsatile vs. sustained testosterone at identical average levels on aromatase expression is sparse; most studies focus on dose or inhibition rather than temporal patterns.
  • Much data comes from animal models (e.g., mice, primates) or in vitro cells, with human evidence inferred from TRT outcomes.
  • Individual variability (e.g., body fat, genetics) influences aromatase baseline, complicating generalizations.
In summary, while not conclusive, the available evidence supports that testosterone patterns can affect aromatase via estradiol-mediated feedback, providing a plausible mechanism for higher estradiol AUC with longer-acting forms. Further research, such as time-course studies on aromatase gene expression under different regimens, would strengthen this. For personalized applications (e.g., TRT), monitoring estradiol levels is recommended.
 
Prop and Enanthate never made any kind of change to what I aromatase from Cyp, which is a lot.

I wouldn't expect enanthate to be much different from cypionate on similar dosing schedules. But it's perhaps harder to evaluate propionate if you're not measuring area-under-the-curve. Are you saying your E2/T ratio was the same? The limited propionate data I have also doesn't really support the premise. But without the AUC it's far from definitive.
 
In my recent tests, I've had lower T/E2 ratios with prop (32:1 at peak, 38:1 trough) than with cyp (40:1), which seems not to agree with the theory. Maybe the theory is more applicable at extreme short half-lives, like with nasal T, test suspension, etc.
 
I know the percent is pretty low, thankfully I use cypionate. It may be a small percent, I'll have somewhat higher e2 level. I never felt anything from my estrogen levels, higher levels may be helpful.
 

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