Lab results seem way too high

Your lab numbers are real and expected. 28 mg of test prop daily is a heroic dose, regardless of what you heard elsewhere, and I have put up similarly insane and unsustainable numbers with similar doses.

These days, I take exactly half of that (14 mg daily). Much better results in terms of libido and cognitive function at the lower dose.

Remember what I told you when you jumped in head first!

Look like you made a big mistake f**kin with that UGL gear LOL!





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I felt great initially on the pharmacom prop and then not so good later on. It appeared to be significantly overdosed based on my blood work (like 200% of the labelled concentration), when compared to another test prop that returned expected levels. I would guess that my feeling not great related to the insane levels more than the formulation.
 
Gonna beat around the bush here?

Time to man up!

What brand of TP are you taking?

Where did your RBCs, hemoglobin and hematocrit sit before you jumped on TTh?

Have you ever donated blood?

Where does your ferritin/iron sit?
I'm beating around the bush? What's your deal? You love to pick fights with people for no reason. Seems like it happens on every thread. It doesn't make sense to jump all over people new to this asking for advice. You just look like a jerk and make people less likely to heed your advice. Vince, Funk & Dixie on the other hand, thanks.

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No blood donations so far I need to consider it as my ferritin came back high. Didn't test that pre.
 
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I'm beating around the bush? What's your deal? You love to pick fights with people for no reason. Seems like it happens on every thread. It doesn't make sense to jump all over people new to this asking for advice. You just look like a jerk and make people less likely to heed your advice. Vince, Funk & Dixie on the other hand, thanks.

UGL tested by Janoshik.
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No blood donations so far I need to consider it as my ferritin came back high. Didn't test that pre.

No one picking a fight LOL!

Trust me you would know it!

Read over my replies post # 6 and 11 and 12 from Mon/Tues evening, kicking facts real s**t here as you were given sensible advice!

Post #11 I asked you some simple questions.

Next day you pull a bum move replying to everyone else yet you had all day to answer some simple questions I asked you the day before.

Do not play that picking a fight bulls**t card spewed by some of those sheep that lurk on here.

Tread lightly on who you take advice from too!

Most likely too late as it is clear as day some of those half wits lurking on here have already ran their mouths in the PMs LOL!

If you want to run with the herd go nuts!

You clearly had no clue what you were doing jumping in head first on a whopping daily dose of T.

This is a big problem with anyone new to this and sad fact of the matter is there are guys that have been on the forums for years including this one that have no clue what the f**k they are doing let alone are still dishing out piss poor advice!

Those so called vets or halfwits talking nonsense are the ones that get aired out on here!

You know those guys hanging out on all those kiddie forums the so called men's health/HRT forums loaded with all those blast n cruizzzers!

The ones pushing that more T is better mentality bulls**t!

Should have done your homework because now you need to bite the bullet here as your trough FT level has been sky-high off the hop!

Remember what I said here its much harder coming down than going up!

May very well be a bumpy ride for a while!

Next time round when you start a thread paint the full picture here.

If you are self-treating let alone f**king with UGL make it clear in your opening post!

Hope you understand that when using exogenous T hematocrit will hematocrit will increase within the first month of starting TTh and continue to rise within 3-6 month mark and the first 6 months is critical as the biggest increase will be seen during that time.

You are only 8 weeks in so where your RBCs, hemoglobin and hematocrit sit as of now is not where they will end up!

Bottom line here if you plan on staying with TP then you need to cut your dose in half and start the whole process over again!

If you choose to hop on TC/TE than you will need to give it 4-6 weeks just to reach steady-state and even then the body will go through an adjustment period during the first 6 weeks as T levels will be rising and top it all off with the fact that once blood levels have stabilized it will still take a few more months for the body to adapt to it's new set-point.

After blood levels have stabilize the next few months is what truly matters as this is the critical time period. when one needs to gauge how they truly feel overall regarding relief/improvement of low-T symptoms and overall well being.

The first 6 weeks means nothing when looking at the bigger picture!

This is where many fail!
 
No one picking a fight LOL!

Trust me you would know it!

Read over my replies post # 6 and 11 and 12 from Mon/Tues evening, kicking facts real s**t here as you were given sensible advice!

Post #11 I asked you some simple questions.

Next day you pull a bum move replying to everyone else yet you had all day to answer some simple questions I asked you the day before.

Do not play that picking a fight bulls**t card spewed by some of those sheep that lurk on here.

Tread lightly on who you take advice from too!

Most likely too late as it is clear as day some of those half wits lurking on here have already ran their mouths in the PMs LOL!

If you want to run with the herd go nuts!

You clearly had no clue what you were doing jumping in head first on a whopping daily dose of T.

This is a big problem with anyone new to this and sad fact of the matter is there are guys that have been on the forums for years including this one that have no clue what the f**k they are doing let alone are still dishing out piss poor advice!

Those so called vets or halfwits talking nonsense are the ones that get aired out on here!

You know those guys hanging out on all those kiddie forums the so called men's health/HRT forums loaded with all those blast n cruizzzers!

The ones pushing that more T is better mentality bulls**t!

Should have done your homework because now you need to bite the bullet here as your trough FT level has been sky-high off the hop!

Remember what I said here its much harder coming down than going up!

May very well be a bumpy ride for a while!

Next time round when you start a thread paint the full picture here.

If you are self-treating let alone f**king with UGL make it clear in your opening post!

Hope you understand that when using exogenous T hematocrit will hematocrit will increase within the first month of starting TTh and continue to rise within 3-6 month mark and the first 6 months is critical as the biggest increase will be seen during that time.

You are only 8 weeks in so where your RBCs, hemoglobin and hematocrit sit as of now is not where they will end up!

Bottom line here if you plan on staying with TP then you need to cut your dose in half and start the whole process over again!

If you choose to hop on TC/TE than you will need to give it 4-6 weeks just to reach steady-state and even then the body will go through an adjustment period during the first 6 weeks as T levels will be rising and top it all off with the fact that once blood levels have stabilized it will still take a few more months for the body to adapt to it's new set-point.

After blood levels have stabilize the next few months is what truly matters as this is the critical time period. when one needs to gauge how they truly feel overall regarding relief/improvement of low-T symptoms and overall well being.

The first 6 weeks means nothing when looking at the bigger picture!

This is where many fail!
Maybe it's the wall of text you always respond with or that you got upset that I answered your questions while responding to someone else. Maybe it's your condescending attitude.

I'm not sure what it is but it rubs me the wrong way. Either way wish you the best.

I did do a lot of research here and other places. I didn't write a text wall of everything I tried. I started at 20mg/day for ~3 weeks which should be long enough to judge TP. Advice I went with (good or bad) said to try 30 for a few weeks and see how you feel. I felt better. Then I got my blood work and didn't want to be running a mini cycle permanently. I came here to ask if that test seemed correct based on dose. Apparently it does. I'm lowering my dose. You act like anyone running T levels over 1k is a heroin addict.
 
Maybe it's the wall of text you always respond with or that you got upset that I answered your questions while responding to someone else. Maybe it's your condescending attitude.

I'm not sure what it is but it rubs me the wrong way. Either way wish you the best.

I did do a lot of research here and other places. I didn't write a text wall of everything I tried. I started at 20mg/day for ~3 weeks which should be long enough to judge TP. Advice I went with (good or bad) said to try 30 for a few weeks and see how you feel. I felt better. Then I got my blood work and didn't want to be running a mini cycle permanently. I came here to ask if that test seemed correct based on dose. Apparently it does. I'm lowering my dose. You act like anyone running T levels over 1k is a heroin addict.

Maybe it's the wall of text you always respond with or that you got upset that I answered your questions while responding to someone else. Maybe it's your condescending attitude.

I'm not sure what it is but it rubs me the wrong way.



Nah it was a bum move on your part plain and simple!

You were asked some simple questions.

Grow some balls!

If you can't handle it stay off the forums.

Hurts when someone kicks some REAL S**T eh?

Clear as day you were already brainwashed with that more T is better mentality bulls**t being pushed by all the half-wits stinking up those so called men's health/HRT forums!

Unfortunately we have some of them on here!

You would be far better off wasting your time on those kiddie forums so they can keep telling you what you want to hear!

20 mg TP daily (140 mg/week) off the hop LOL!

You had no clue how your body would react to T on said protocol (dose of T/injection frequency) yet still threw in ND off the hop LMFAO!

This just keeps getting better here.

Even though you would have reached steady-state much quicker than TC/TE 3 weeks is still fuck all on TP!

No one could truly gauge a protocol even when using TP let alone claim whether it was a success or failure 3 weeks in LMFAO!

Jacking up your dose after being on TP for 3 weeks you already FCKD UP!

Going from 20-30 mg day TP (an extra 70 mg/week) is ridiculous and who ever told you to jack up your dose is a f**king idiot!

What a f**king mess!

After all that so called research you clearly have no clue how this works!




You act like anyone running T levels over 1k is a heroin addict.

Typical sheep talk LMFAO!

You really did yourself in here!

I'm just scratching the surface!

Where do you want to take this because I am itching to get deep!
 
This one is going out to all those newbies especially the ones self-treating that clearly have NO CLUE what the f**k they are doing!

Yes even when you are f**king with TP!

Damn shame!




26. What is a reasonable timeline to begin to observe improvements in the signs and symptoms of testosterone deficiency?

*Following the initiation of testosterone therapy, serum concentrations of testosterone are known to correct earlier than the symptomatic, structural, and metabolic signs associated with TD.76,77 As such, patients should be counseled that symptom response will not be immediate. Expectations for treatment response should be established with each patient. Patients can anticipate improvements in many of the common symptoms of TD (libido, energy levels, sexual function) after 3 months of treatment or longer. Metabolic and structural (body composition, muscle mass, bone density) changes may take upwards of 6 months. 77 In addition, patients should be counseled that diet and exercise in combination with testosterone therapy are recommended for body composition changes.

*Appreciating this pattern of response to testosterone therapy is fundamental when determining the impact of treatment and the appropriate timing of follow-up evaluations while on therapy. For example, if patients undergo a symptom review and measurement of testosterone levels too early (< 3 months), it may lead both physicians and patients to conclude that the treatment has not been impactful (i.e. normal levels of testosterone without symptomatic/structural/metabolic benefit). However, if the same assessment was scheduled 3-6 months after the initiation of therapy, the clinical response tends to be more reflective of normalized levels of serum testosterone.







































 

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