HCG low dose daily and higher dose the two days before testosterone injection

[NickCampo25]

Hey guys. I am currently on the following TRT regimen:

Test Cypionate 200mg IM q weekly

Anastrazole 0.5 mg on T shot day

HCG 500 IU SQ on the last 2 days of the week before T shot day


My question is: Would it make sense to instead use HCG 100 IU 5 days per week and then increase to 250 IU on the last 2 days before T shot day?

I recently read a book by Dr John Crisler (may he rest in peace), in which he says that using HCG 100 IU daily would more closely approximate the natural daily release of LH from the pituatary. This would then keep the testes producing T on a daily basis while on TRT (I think).

The way it is prescribed for me (and most guys on T it seems) the goal is to cause a surge in natural T production on the two days before the T shot by having two relatively large doses of HCG on those two days.

It seems to me that using HCG 100 IU 5 days per week and then increasing to 250 IU on the two days before T shot day (assuming that you only take one T shot per week), would be the best of both worlds.

Any insight into this idea will be greatly appreciated!



Nick

 

[Vince Carter]

The way it is prescribed for me (and most guys on T it seems) the goal is to cause a surge in natural T production on the two days before the T shot by having two relatively large doses of HCG on those two days.

This is actually the very old Crisler method, so old that it from the once per week Cyp injections and that logic follows that in that scheme you would be tapering back down on the last two days so you would shoot the HCG in 250-500iu doses to help bridge the gap, if you will.
Dr C had moved on to ~100iu daily but you have the freedom to certainly work that the way that you described and see if it works well for you. HCG use can be all over the map without a set "must do this" kind of scheme.

 

[TDCNINJA]

I take my test and 100IU of HCG every morning. I experimented and found that if I take the test in the morning and the HCG in the evening I feel pretty good.

 

[NickCampo25]

I take my test and 100IU of HCG every morning. I experimented and found that if I take the test in the morning and the HCG in the evening I feel pretty good.

Thanks for the reply. Is your T shot once a week? What do you think about increasing from 100 IU to 250 IU on the two days before the weekly T shot?

Nick

 

[SilverSurfer]

I take my testosterone once per week. Dosing at 350 iu each for 2 days before injection at 700 iu per week spiked my E2 and acne. Even at 250 iu was a problem. Now I do 150 iu EOD, and my testicles stay full and zero E2 and acne issues.

 

[Vince Carter]

Thanks for the reply. Is your T shot once a week? What do you think about increasing from 100 IU to 250 IU on the two days before the weekly T shot?

Nick

You need to know if it's the testes that are your problem, or the Pituitary...if your problem is the testes, Primary HypoGonadal, there's little to be gained with HCG stim of the testes, you'll get no appreciable endo T production.

 

[SilverSurfer]

You need to know if it's the testes that are your problem, or the Pituitary...if your problem is the testes, Primary HypoGonadal, there's little to be gained with HCG stim of the testes, you'll get no appreciable endo T production.

Vince, any idea if someone with Klinefelter Syndrome would gain testicle size by adding HCG? My best friend’s 18 year old son has Klinefelter and complains of small testes, and is self conscious about them. Apparently, they are the size of large almonds. He’s ok with being sterile most likely, but wants more normal sized testicles.

 

[Cataceous]

... any idea if someone with Klinefelter Syndrome would gain testicle size by adding HCG? ...

Sounds like not, as these individuals are already "hypergonadotropic", meaning LH and FSH are high, so basically they have primary hypogonadism.

 

[TDCNINJA]

Thanks for the reply. Is your T shot once a week? What do you think about increasing from 100 IU to 250 IU on the two days before the weekly T shot?

Nick

I take 10mg of test cyp every morning

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Do not lower your 500 IU dose but space it at 3.5 days

 

[NickCampo25]

Do not lower your 500 IU dose but space it at 3.5 days

Hi Nelson. Thanks for your input. Do you time your HCG injections with your T shot? Like one the day before the T shot and then 3.5 days later?

Also, just started reading your book Testosterone: A man’s guide second edition. Great book!

 

[Tman]

I take 10mg of test cyp every morning

How are your T levels at that dose?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

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