1,000 T low point

[Diablo666]

Hi Everyone,

went to a new clinic and they put me on 180mg T a week split in 2 doses. they told me they try to shoot for low point to be 1,000 T (so I assume I fluctuate between 1,000 and 1,400 or so). I know this is HIGH, I felt great for a few weeks.

Can anyone who maintains high levels of testosterone comment on how much anaztrozole they need to keep E2 in check?

Thanks!

 

[CoastWatcher]

There is nothing linear in this game. By that, I mean what works for one person in regard to estradiol comtrol may well be utterly ineffective for another patient on the very same protocol. A more pertinent question is what is your doctor trying to do?

I suggest the goal here is to jack your testosterone to the sky, so that you will certainly "feel great" initially, slap an AI into the mix to combat the almost certain spike in estradiol and hope for the best. A cookie-cutter protocol. Not all men need to have levels at 1,000, to say nothing of 1,400, in order to feel their best. A protocol has to be individualized...and estradiol control, remember that e2 is a necessary hormone for men, is one of the most individualized values in the entire mix.

 

[Gman86]

Ya he's right. How much anastrozole you're going to need depends entirely on what your total and free testosterone end up being on this protocol, as well as your what your sensitive E2 and SHBG levels are.

Literally IMPOSSIBLE to know how much you're going to need without those lab values. Anyone that tells you any different has no clue what they're talking about.

 

[Sean Mosher]

Just listened to another great podcast this morning where Jay Campbell had 3 great docs on there.
None of them chase numbers (like targeting 1000, 800, whatever...........)
You're optimal where you're optimal (no negative sides, symptom resolution).

 

[CoastWatcher]

Just listened to another great podcast this morning where Jay Campbell had 3 great docs on there.
None of them chase numbers (like targeting 1000, 800, whatever...........)
You're optimal where you're optimal (no negative sides, symptom resolution).

You're optimal when you're optimal...great quote.

 

[Starplex]

You may not need an AI. I know several people who have a higher T value and use no AI. Let your E2 settle out and see if it fits.

 

[Vince]

I'm also someone who never used an AI and I keep my

testosterone serum over 1000.

Vince's testosterone panel from 6/12/2018​

https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?15162-Vince-s-testosterone-panel-from-6-12-2018

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[MarkM]

My last blood work at trough was in May on 180 mg Test Cyp (90 mg every 3.5 days) and I had the following:

Total T 1055 ng/dl Range of 264 - 916 ng/dl
Free T 30.1 pg/ml Range of 7.2 - 24.0 pg/ml
Estradiol Sensitive 35.3 pg/ml Range of 8.0 - 35.0 pg/ml
SHBG 30.0 nmol/l Range of 19.3 - 76.4 nmol/l
No use of an AI.

Once I received these results I lowered my weekly Test Cyp dose down to 160 mg (80 mg every 3.5 days) to see if I would feel any different on a lower dose. So far I do not feel any difference. I have my net blood work later this month after I have been on the reduced protocol for 8 weeks. Hoping the reduced dose pulls the Total and Free T down just a bit and the Estradiol too.

So, you may not need and AI, it is an individual thing. Some would need an AI if their Estradiol Sensitive cam in at 35 like mine and others can have a level of 50 and not feel like they need one.

 

[Gman86]

MarkM do you have a thread about how you’re feeling with these numbers? I’d be curious to hear how ur currently doing.

 

[MarkM]

No sir I do not have my own specific thread on these numbers but I am feeling really good. Been on TRT for 13 years and the only complaints I've had are I never found a PCP, endo, or urologist that had a clue about how to treat low T. Had to figure it out on my own which was probably a blessing anyway. Had I found something like Defy many years ago it might had sped up the learning curve a bit.

Diablo666, sorry, did not mean to hijack your thread my friend.

 

[Gman86]

Thanks for the reply, and yes, back to the original thread