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    Now Injecting Propionate on a Daily Basis

    After 6 months on daily T Cyp I felt that there was still a lot of room for improvement for me. I still just wasn't "feeling" it much. So I switched from Cypionate to Propionate. Having been on it for a couple of weeks now, I have a significantly higher/consistent energy level throughout the day. No afternoon slump and getting easily distracted like before. Libido seems a little higher too. I can't wait to get some tests in a few weeks and see what everything looks like.

    I use a 30g 5/16 insulin syringe and inject 0.18mg every morning in abdomen or shoulders. It does not sting like I've read practically everywhere, maybe because of the small volume.

    Anyone have similar or differing experiences, especially with SHBG on the lower end?

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    Moderator Vince's Avatar
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    Jason thanks for starting this thread. I'm also interested in using propionate for my daily injection. What pharmacy and Clinic/doctor are you using and are you located in the USA.
    I am not a medical practitioner. Any suggestions I provide are not medical recommendations and are just my opinions. Please consult with your physician on any matters concerning your health.

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    I use prop also and inject from .1 to .12 per day. I have never used cyp for an extended period so I can't really compare, but I think prop is unfairly maligned. I started with prop because the short ester should make it much easier to get dialed in and if I overdid the dosage it should correct quickly, both of which have seemed to be true. Also it seems to have better reviews for sexual benefits. My SHGB is high so we are different in that regard, but my guess is that many who have a hard time getting to their sweet spot would have been better off starting with prop and then moving to cyp if there was some reason to, rather than starting with what IMO is the most complicated to get dialed in due to the difficulty in getting to a steady state based on symptoms. The only significant injection issues I've had happened when I injected into my leg, so I now inject the same as you.

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    I don't inject in my legs much either. I can feel it more than shoulders and abdomen so I avoid legs when possible.

    Vince, I'm in Ohio and a patient at Defy. I get everything from Empower and the Propionate comes as 100mg/ml in a 10ml vial. So I went from 20mg daily Cypionate to 18mg daily Propionate because there are a few more mg of T in the Propionate ester.

    It has only been a couple of weeks, but I feel like I have the energy of my younger self right now. In the past, I was still tired and lethargic in the afternoon even with coffee. Now I'm sitting here (supposed to be writing code) and I'm ready to do anything and my mind is clear. It will be interesting to see what the tests reveal.

    I guess even with these tiny changes I should probably wait a couple more weeks for everything to stabilize before I check.

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    Nice to see some accounts of daily prop use. Look forward to following along.

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    Very interesting I'm listening in, a change has been on my mind, low SHBG and daily's already but had been thinking more with Enanthate than Prop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Carter View Post
    Very interesting I'm listening in, a change has been on my mind, low SHBG and daily's already but had been thinking more with Enanthate than Prop.
    Empower can also compound multiple esters together so that you get both slow and quick release.

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    I too am going to be following this one, as I have just started daily Test E last week and was wondering if Prop will help reduce my need for AI even more.

    We are trying to do this without AI, hence the daily, but I am thinking after 2 months of this I might ask for Prop if my E numbers keep edging down but not enough.

    I am really sensitive to AI's and can easily kill my E in a short period of time even on low dose once a week, so I am using DIM now and daily T.

    Without Anastrazole my E edges up into the low 100's but I don't get symptoms other than greasy skin, and water weight. Using DIM we got it down some but not enough yet, so we are changing to daily T and increasing the DIM, so I will wait for the 2 months and see where it goes then and maybe ask to change to this if it continues to go down in 8 weeks.

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    After nearly two years on daily enanthate, I'm not interested in a change - I feel great and all is well balanced. But am fascinated with discovering how this plays out for others.
    I am not a physician. Comments offered here are for discussion purposes only. Please consult your doctor before initiating, changing, or stopping any therapy.

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