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Alright guys, I get it. This is a forum where there is much prudency and I like that. I am not interrested to be in the upper range all week long, was just aiming for 650 as thorough levels (with a peak between 900-1100 MAX) and stay there and see where it gets me after 6 months to one year...

I just did some digging and as an optimal level, free test should be between 20-30 ng/dl in most cases, Mine after conversion is 17.4.

That is the thing, I think I am too focused on total Test. I was thinking maybe slightly increase so that my thorough ends up being around 600-700 like many suggested while still maintaining free test 2-3% of total test. Because apparently a thorough like that (571) gives space for more...

Hi guys, I take 100 mg split in to two injections (50 each) and 500 units of hcg split in 2 injections. After 7 weeks, here are my results, 3.5 days after my last injection (I injected sunday evening, and tested Thursday morning): Testosterone total = 571 ng per DL or 19.4 nmol/L Free Test =...

Wow okay,cause I tested this several times and it always comes back at 1 or 1.1, so this time it may have been by chance then, but it seems curious that for once, my LH as slightly elevated after mucuna.

forzen sperm and semen analysis done, the lady said good quality sperm with 99 million with 40% motility. Also, might be of interest for someone, I have done on and off ``protocols`` with Mucuna pruriens over the years and always used the powder (was initially interested for meditation purposes...

With hcg, do you think I should lower my starting dose of T (90 mg) or do you think I should still start with 100 mg? My reasoning is that hcg already increases T and e2 on its own so T dose should be lowered

Well many telehealth clinics offer both, men’s clinics like science and humans or jack health have been offering it for quite some time now. At this point you know how much I overthink, do you think I would prepared all of this while not knowing FOR CERTAIN that hcg is available? For the other...

But how is progressively increasing the hcg dose to let my body acclimate slowly a bad thing? I get the overthinking part, I just don’t get the other part.

Yes but considering what I read I thought maybe a starting dose could be that. I ve seen many reports of people thinking they don’t tolerate hcg but then coming after a few weeks and saying that they actually needed less spreaded through multiple injections. So my goal is to arrive at 750 iu...

Yes that is what I will do. I am really excited to start actually and hope that everything will be okay. I love to workout but can`t do that like before because I have little injuries in many joints and I hope that with this therapy I could get back on it and be smart about it. I am sure that...

I am thinking more in the lines of what someone else said : ``everything has a trade off, the question is are the trade offs of having test levels in range better than the trade offs of staying low t?'' Anyway, I have revised the protocol I have in mind and I think it will be 30 mg of test 3...

I have enclomiphene and I honestly prefer to use it over hcg, so i will try hcg and if it doesn`t work with me, I will use enclo twice per week. Apparently it can do the job, less impactful than hcg, but it still does for many.

yea but the thing is, that combination is a necessity at this point. Imagine if I start only with test and everything goes well until I add hcg. If I feel less good and can’t dial it , I will have to stop therapy because that would mean that for me, hcg will be a nono,because as I said...

In what form do you take them, why those dosages and why not cypionate? How do you use enclomiphene at what dosage and frequency, and what is your reasoning using it with gonadorelin and why not HCG then. Haha as you can see, you are a very interesting case for me because I thought of...

The thing is, for me, I cannot do TRT without hcg because i need the fertility in the mid term and I don`t want to wonder for the first few months of only T ``Is my body going to accept the HCG, what if it doesn`t?'' For me, the response from T is equal in importance than the response from HCG...

Basically you are what I hope for for myself and dream about actually. Everything you said, about the specific symptoms that got relieved, the amount of hcg, how it affected you, how you modifed it with time, etc etc etc is what TRT should be like in my head (changing things slowly, even side...

What is your protocol? Also, what about people that a 100 mg dose put them in the 500s, not much symptom relief, and that hemacrotit stays high and so they can never increase their test dosage because otherwise the trade off is more hemacrotit and more blood donations. I figured that maybe by...

Completely agree. May I know your protocol and frequency of injections and if you are taking hcg?

So what do you think of my potential protocol of 90 mg per week divided in 3 injections and 200 iu of hcg in three injections? You think this will eventually lead to chronic exposure of high test levels if other factors are in place?

I ve seen lots of guys having to bump up their test dose to 120 mg to feel benefits and finally see their test levels go to the 700-800s. For other guys 120 mg doesn`t raise them enough and they need 150 mg. It depends on each person, regardless of frequency of injections. And believe me, I...

what levels do you sit? Cause I know many that crash on 80 mg because it is bringing them even lower than their natural test (300s)

Perfect thanks Madman. About DHEA and Pregnenolone, I was wondering since they are not available otc in canada, if clinic prescribe if there is a need. This is another thing I was thinking about, it would be nice to have it available on the canadian market if it becomes a need.

Considering all of this is theory of course. I know practically everyone is different. I see guys having adequate levels at 200 mg per week, others needing only 60 mg so I am talking in theory and in general.

Okay Madman, so now my question is: What is the solution then? Besides Natesto? Because from the sound of it, TRT is not a viable option, better stay low T for life (considering everything is done to raise it but the balls just don’t seem to work as they should). For example, would injecting...

From what I am reading here, it seems that TRT is creating more problems than it is solving or am I missing something?

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Okay, this shows me I was going to the right direction then. After reading more I was thinking of doing 200 ius three times per week and 30 mg test 3 times per week, each on the same day as I prefer not pinning 6 times per week. At least start from there and see how it goes and maybe go off...

very interresting read. The more I research and the more I am getting closer to start TRT and the more I realise that tolerating well HCG is going to be the crucial point of treatment. I find very conflicting info about HCG. Some articles say it is mostly well tolerated by men, some clinics...

Honestly that was one of my first options and it even gave me enthousiasm but after many research, I concluded that it was useless. HCG monotherapy doesn`t work long term, because of side effects, most of positive experiences end up in a bad note where the person has to stop, and you end up...

I really hope I am not one of those because otherwise don’t know what I will do fertility wise. Hmg and fsh are super expensive and not widely available in canada