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Read that French grape seed can help prevent the aromatization of e2. Has anyone researched or used this on here with some insight? Talking about the supplement version of this, not the carrier oil for the testosterone.

I’ve been on cream & I do remember getting headaches with that. I’m also noticing Very similar side effects between cream and prop. I get a strong motivation/libido surge and feel great shortly after injection. Then 3-4 hours later I crash hard. I’d bet anything this has to do with DHT. Now I...

Thank you for the detailed response. The most difficult problem I’m having with daily prop is the intense headaches. I’ll inject in the morning and by 2-3pm I have a migraine that won’t go away. I’ve lowered the dose very low and I’m still getting it. Almost like the quick surge of test is...

Aside from just regular test side effects in general. I’m more speaking of test prop vs the longer esthers. Here are the things I’ve read that make prop different than cyp/eth in terms of sides. Spikes DHT more then other esthers Spikes E2 more then other esthers Lowers E2 more then other...

Might have to swap to AM injections because of this. I was hoping that when I injected before bed it would start to rise and in 4-6 hours and be time I woke up it would be like waking up naturally with highest test levels. Plus mornings are always hectic for me.

The prop and headaches might not be related to one another but wanted to post together just in case. I started a prop/cyp blend roughly 2 weeks ago. I do daily injections at around 7pm. Ive noticed I’ve started getting pretty bad headaches everyday around 2 pm. When should I expect the prop...

Something I found that worked better was swapping the time of injections. I went from at night to in the morning. I figured this wouldn’t matter since I’m using a longer Esther but it did. I had noticed when I injected at night that after about an hour or so after the injection. I was more...

Crap, didn’t even think about variation amounts of each one. Since I already have test cypionate I’m assuming I’ll just get propionate added separately. At least for now.

I’ve got about 2-3 months worth of cypionate left so I doubt I’ll be able to order the actually blended test. I’ll probably have to manually pull prop and cypionate. I did try a combo of cypionate with testosterone cream in the morning to try have a similar result as to to replicating the...

Alright, so I was all set to throw in the towel with TRT then I remembered this post. Then I started researching with the daily injections of the long/short Esther blends. What do I have to lose? So I’ve asked my doc if I can give it one more chance with this. (Still waiting on their reply but...

I’m running out of options after 2 years of TRT and so many different protocols.

I’ve had similar issues as all of you since I’ve swapped to E.O.D injections. I was doing 3x a week and didn’t have this insomnia. This insomnia is very aggravating bc I can be so dam tired and either can’t fall asleep and finally crash at 4am or I wake up at 2am and cant go back to sleep...

After swapping to E.O.D injections I've had horrible insomnia. I'm exhausted but my brain wont shut off. More commonly you'll see posts about falling asleep for a couple hours then cant go back to sleep. This is very similar. Going through a lot of posts on here I've noticed others with...

Okay Jason you talked me into it. I’ll let Defy hook me up with a free sample. 6 months worth should suffice, that should give me enough to give a sufficient review of it.

I've been pondering about this as well. From reading other peoples trt journeys, along with the trial and errors on myself I have found that the body doesn't seem to react as well to homeostasis testosterone levels as it does with your daily rise n fall. By that I mean if someone starts the...

Awesome answer. Covered everything I asked and then some stuff I forgot to ask! I was curious about the half life and overall variations with prop. How long/different types of protocols did you try out before you ended up with the prop/eth daily injections. Did you try E.O.D with cyp/prop...

If someone was swapping to more frequent injections (E.O.D) to help keep e2 from spiking as much, would it be better to swap to propionate? From my understanding most of the e2 conversion is from the part of the oil that helps give testosterone prop/eth is longer half life. I mean if you’re...

“I'd feel good for a week or two then once bloods stabalize I'd feel like hell” This seems to be the same for me as well. I can never get that feeling to stick no matter what. Something I’ve noticed as well is just being on TRT makes me feel different even if my levels are the exact same as...

SHBG was 22.7 last time I got it checked about 6 months ago, so right in mid range. Ha, no worries I appreciate any feedback regardless as most of this is not so cut and dry. It’s more of the cause and effect principle, unfortunately the effect could leave us feeling shitty for many a weeks...

This is sensitive e2 so the range for that is 8-35 so this is up on the higher end. At least for what my e2 has ran. I think your right I’m probably going to stay at the current increased dose for abit and add the cialis to see if it drops my e2 down enough.

Got my results back. (Attached a pic) I will say I was surprised. While I was waiting on the results I decided to bump up my injection dosage to see how I feel. I’ve noticed I’m feeling much better on the day I inject and the day after. These results were taken right before my next injection so...

25mg of test cyp three times a week. I do Monday morning/ then Wednesday and Friday night. Then half a click of test cream (200mg cream) to scrotum every morning. This is the first time I’ve done bloodwork while being on both cream and injections so I’m eager to see where I’m at. I’m at that...

My SHBG is mid range. So far I’ve been feeling pretty the same with test/cream as injections. Still some days where I have a boost of energy, most it’s still a drag all day. I went and got bloodwork done yesterday. Hopefully the corona virus doesn’t cause to long of a delay in getting results...

Oh nice, never knew about that site.

Well heck. Ok, please correct me if I’m wrong here. Anyone, not just Gman. So testosterone can be turned into e2 or DHT. A DHT derivative medication cannot be turned into testosterone or e2 but DHT can lower e2 or at least reduce the side effects of e2. So trying to get a perfect test/e2/DHT...

Does defy medical offer proviron? What other synthetic DHT options are there?

As someone who has been on both cream and injections. I recently just started trying cream with injections. I felt similar to you with cream only, felt great to start then continued to get worse. Test by itself doesn’t give me that great feeling that comes with DHT. IDK if the issues I was...

What if you were on injections and cream and you thought the DHT was causing low e2 issues. Would injecting more test to try to raise e2 work?

Thanks for checking in, couple of questions for you. Test prop or cypionate? Do you do 2 clicks of cream at the same time per day or at 2 different times a day (morning/night) Do you apply to scrotum? Do you have parts of the day where you feel better than other parts? (Feel good in the A.M...

I’m going to start experimenting with this to see if it may work. Being on both of these separately I had slight glimpses here and there of feeling good, never nothing worth staying with that specific protocol. Now I’m considering trying to use injections to help offset some of the downsides of...

No, Ai. I just swapped back to injections so I might of already been low on test/e2 to begin with. Trying to re-figure out my dosage. So the cialis could of been enough to drop me to where I really felt the effects of low e2. This is all speculation since I haven’t had labs but I’ve crashed...