When Empower stopped making Test Prop my doctor let me switch to Test E and I am not feeling good on it... my sleep is getting worse, I am gaining water weight and I had to start using Arimidex again (which I very rarely had to use when on Prop)... So are there any compounding pharmacies still making Test Prop? I found some pharmacy recommendations for Prop on some previous threads on Excel but they are not answering to my/or my doctors inquiries. thanks for any help or direction...
Any Testosterone Propionate Compounding Pharmacies left?
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Nelson Vergel
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They only have this combo
www.empowerpharmacy.com
They said that they weren't getting enough prescriptions for propionate alone.
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They said that they weren't getting enough prescriptions for propionate alone.
FunkOdyssey
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Most people who are still using test prop have been forced to switch to UGL suppliers.
What dose and frequency were you using with test prop?
I've read lots of posts from guys who say the difference between peak and trough is too great which makes them feel too wired in the beginning of the day and too tired at the end of the day.
I'm wondering if dosing prop twice a day might be best. Something like 5mg at 8am and 2.5mg at 4pm?
I was using Prop Subq ED @ .13ml (I've been as high as .2ml and as low as .1ml, but .13ml was enough for me where I felt best).... I like prop precisely because of the trough (high in early day and low at night which is closest to natural test peak/low levels)... I've always struggled with sleep while on trt but for me prop is the lesser of the other 2 evils from Enan and Cyp, as I feel I get a little bit better sleep on prop.. also, I think my E is easier to control as I don't really need Adex like I do on enan/cyp and I don't carry alot of water weight. PS- I jab whenever I wake up... I work out in mornings during week so I inject at 6am and on weekend usually around 8 or 9am
PS- if you search on Excel and can find it, a couple years ago I've posted a bunch of lab numbers measuring peak and trough on Prop and Cyp.
I have tried 2x day prop. Was better than 1x day prop, but not huge difference.
If you are willing to inject 2x per day with fast acting T, I have been experimenting with TNE 2x day. Much more noticeable spike (in a good way) than prop and deeper trough at night. The tricky part is that TNE was giving me huge PIP in belly fat with subq injections so I had to switch to IM. Doing 2x daily IM is not sustainable for me.
What dose of TNE are you using?
I thought TNE was much faster acting than water based test suspension, making it impractical to use for TRT.
Thanks.
Your lab numbers showed that your T was still quite high 10 hours post injection, which suggests my idea of taking another smaller dose 8 hours post would be a mistake.
There is much debate about that, but based on my experience TS is faster hitting than TNE.
In fact, I am subjectively feeling even small doses of TNE 2mg peaking at 2-3 hours with effects well into 6-7 hours post-injection. Not ideal for maintaining HPTA, but good for creating daily spike.
But if TNE were injected right before bed, 8 hours later you would be back to hypogonadal, right?
In theory yes and it sure felt that way for me.
I am currently experimenting with using daily Enanthate injection as a steady-state base followed by separate TNE injection to create a morning spike - similar to the TE/TP blend that our own @Cataceous pioneered.
So far the TE/TNE feels very different from TE/TP. TNE is in a category of its own. I will post test results once things settle down.
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Guided_by_Voices
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An observation...There have been several posters here over the years (the most recent one was about a year ago I think) who reported excellent results injecting at very long intervals, every three weeks in one case I remember. Of course there were people here who said that couldn't be true, but there may be signaling affects from testosterone or its metabolites that we simply don't understand yet such that even though the levels of T in the body have declined, the affects from the signal last far longer. This is pure speculation on my part, but it would explain the paradoxically good results the members posted and also why many people have reported feeling their best at trough levels (although that could be due to levels which were too high in the first place.) This type of mechanism is apparently why TB500 can be out of the body quickly but its benefits can last for several weeks from what I understand of it. This is a topic where we could benefit from the wisdom of someone like @Type_IIx .
I recall several posts of guys feeling better on 1x weekly injections. I have tried every injection frequency under the sun, and always revert to daily injections. I found 1x weekly or even 2x weekly too much of a boom-bust cycle.
Just shows yet again that doses, frequencies and esters are all very subjective.
Something about the rhythm of dailies that appeals to me. Adding TNE, Suspension or Prop to a base gives that fluctuation where you can trough out overnight.
So do you think even test enanthate every 3.5 days would cause too much fluctuation for you?
My levels were pretty even on that protocol. Too much so, in fact. I bet I'd feel better if I did the test enanthate every 3.5 days at a low dose then add daily TNE or suspension to give some fluctuation.
Yes even 3.5 days too much fluctuation for me. But if you feel relatively smooth on 3.5, then low dose daily TNE or TS might be a nice kicker in the morning. Let us know if you try it out
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