IGF-1 and Growth hormone

[trtthings]

Has any one of you guys been on growth hormone and know your pre- and post IGF-1 labs?

What source did you go through and did you notice a difference? I found out my IGF-1 is well on the lower end, consistently. But not enough for treatment.

@Nelson Vergel
@Cataceous

 

[Gman86]

Do not offer sources for HGH. This is your only warning.

 

[Dicky]

Has any one of you guys been on growth hormone and know your pre- and post IGF-1 labs?

What source did you go through and did you notice a difference? I found out my IGF-1 is well on the lower end, consistently. But not enough for treatment.

@Nelson Vergel
@Cataceous

My natural IGF-1 has always been high. Most recent lab had me at 228 ng/ml (61-200). High levels have done me no good whatsoever. I am thin, have difficulty gaining muscle. I am often fatigued and do not recover well from exercise, nor do I feel good doing it. My free T levels are fine if a little high at 33.1 pg/ml (7.2-24). Feel free to try to get your IGF higher, but for me, having natty high IGF hasn't helped at all.

Note: my IGF was high even before starting TRT.
Yes @madman I do realize that I am using a sub-optimal free T test (direct).

 

[Zibernet]

Has any one of you guys been on growth hormone and know your pre- and post IGF-1 labs?

What source did you go through and did you notice a difference? I found out my IGF-1 is well on the lower end, consistently. But not enough for treatment.

@Nelson Vergel
@Cataceous

I hope you are not taking an AI.
Estrogens are important for HGH and IGF-1 production.

 

[Unlockable]

189 and 190 a month apart earlier this year (90-278)

Took Zomacton HGH prescribed from IAMHRT/Florida Alternative (junk company). 2iu EOD before bed, after 3 weeks my IGF went DOWN to 180. Their PA tried to tell me not to expect my IGF1 to go up on growth hormone. Lol

Switched to 4iu eod, the next day lethargy became bad, switched to 2iu daily before bed and finished out the few months on it at 221 IGF1 level, I had been on TRT for 2 out of 3 weekly shots during this blood work. Since then I have found a whole milk that doesn't give me acne, and have been on TRT, after 10 weeks my IGF1 was 261. So TRT and possibly milk did more than the weak/fake HGH from FAM

MULTIPLE people on Reddit have messaged me saying their IGF1 dropped or barely raised on it, there's ******** groups saying it's fake, I called the manufacturer Ferring and they think it may be fake and are looking into it, and other clinics down there by them say they have heard it's Chinese Hgh. That would make sense since they told me the on the phone they compound it themselves.

So that's my experience with very weak HGH.

 

[Gman86]

189 and 190 a month apart earlier this year (90-278)

Took Zomacton HGH prescribed from IAMHRT/Florida Alternative (junk company). 2iu EOD before bed, after 3 weeks my IGF went DOWN to 180. Their PA tried to tell me not to expect my IGF1 to go up on growth hormone. Lol

Switched to 4iu eod, the next day lethargy became bad, switched to 2iu daily before bed and finished out the few months on it at 221 IGF1 level, I had been on TRT for 2 out of 3 weekly shots during this blood work. Since then I have found a whole milk that doesn't give me acne, and have been on TRT, after 10 weeks my IGF1 was 261. So TRT and possibly milk did more than the weak/fake HGH from FAM

MULTIPLE people on Reddit have messaged me saying their IGF1 dropped or barely raised on it, there's ******** groups saying it's fake, I called the manufacturer Ferring and they think it may be fake and are looking into it, and other clinics down there by them say they have heard it's Chinese Hgh. That would make sense since they told me the on the phone they compound it themselves.

So that's my experience with very weak HGH.

It’s not cuz it’s Chinese HGH. All generics are Chinese HGH, and there’s a ton of generics that work great. I’m on a generic Chinese HGH and on 3iu’s/ day my IGF-1 came back at 376 the first time I tested it, and then a bit later I tested it again and it came back at 405. Currently using 2iu’s/ day of it because the finger/hand tingling/numbness just become to unbearable. It’s a lot less on 2iu’s/ day

I bought both Zomacton and DBHGH from Frontline Alternative Medicine (FAM) out of Texas, and both ended up being fake. Didn’t raise my IGF-1 level even a point using 3iu’s per day. Luckily my IGF-1 level didn’t drop like u experienced. It was basically like injecting water for me. Heard all of the FAM clinics are junk and sell fake/ underdosed stuff. Stay far away from any clinic where their acronym spells FAM

 

[Unlockable]

It’s not cuz it’s Chinese HGH. All generics are Chinese HGH, and there’s a ton of generics that work great. I’m on a generic Chinese HGH and on 3iu’s/ day my IGF-1 came back at 376 the first time I tested it, and then a bit later I tested it again and it came back at 405. Currently using 2iu’s/ day of it because the finger/hand tingling/numbness just become to unbearable. It’s a lot less on 2iu’s/ day

I bought both Zomacton and DBHGH from Frontline Alternative Medicine (FAM) out of Texas, and both ended up being fake. Didn’t raise my IGF-1 level even a point using 3iu’s per day. Luckily my IGF-1 level didn’t drop like u experienced. It was basically like injecting water for me. Heard all of the FAM clinics are junk and sell fake/ underdosed stuff. Stay far away from any clinic where their acronym spells FAM

How has the FDA not busted them yet?

 

[Gman86]

How has the FDA not busted them yet?

Great question. Maybe cuz some of their stuff is legit/ underdosed and some stuff is fake, but not all of their stuff is fake?? I honestly have no idea

 

[Unlockable]

Great question. Maybe cuz some of their stuff is legit/ underdosed and some stuff is fake, but not all of their stuff is fake?? I honestly have no idea

The HGH doesn't even have a real pharmacy label or info on it. I can't see how this is legal at all. The service is awful. Also major HIPAA violations sending me another patient's info

 

[SteveCleves]

@Gman86 you still taking GH? What is your dosage and protocol?

 

[Gman86]

@Gman86 you still taking GH? What is your dosage and protocol?

Nah, not atm. Been off of HGH for a bit now. Ran out of Genotropin pens a few months back, and didn’t want to go through the hassle of getting more from overseas

been trying out growth peptides again recently. Ipa and CJC. Been getting reactions from both at the injection site tho, so gonna take a break from them until I can figure out how to not get the reactions anymore

Was doing 1.8iu’s every AM when I was on the HGH tho. Would have done more, but I’m every sensitive to finger tingling/ numbness unfortunately

 

[SteveCleves]

Did you ever try pre sleep dosing? Was the GH worth it for what you were expecting?

 

[Deleted member 43589]

I have never bothered getting GH and IGF-1 testing because I know exactly what to look for with side effects. Right now I am having a slight edema using 10mg MK677 (morning) and 2iu hGH at bed time. Day time grogginess is minimal and no carpal tunnel pains. I know the hGH is good since I had a friend do an SDS-Page test on it.

 

[Gman86]

Did you ever try pre sleep dosing? Was the GH worth it for what you were expecting?

No I never tried it before bed. The idea was to let my endogenous gh do it’s thing at night while I’m sleeping, and then boost my gh in the morning with the HGH when it’s lower in the AM

and I don’t think I noticed anything from taking the HGH for around a year at least. I like just taking HGH or growth peptides as like something beneficial going on in the background. If I did notice any benefits, they were subtle. It’s hard to quantify something like improved recovery, unless it’s a drastic improvement. At least for me

 

[JimGainz]

I know this is an old thread, but just wanted to say I started growth hormone often on and off about a year ago, but have been on steadily since May of this year. Reason being is I had a significant shoulder injury and read that taking growth hormone along with some healing peptides would accelerate the healing.

Anyway, as far as levels go – my natural IGF-1 level was 180. 1.2 units per day put me at 220. Overtime I kept increasing to three units per day but run two days on, one day off - which probably puts me in the low 300s.

I noticed significant muscle gain and fat loss taking this along with my regular TRT regiment of Testosterone and Nandrolone.

One thing to watch is fasting glucose. However, if I take it pre-, or post heavy weightlifting workout, there really no change at all. When I was taking it before bed, I would wake up with a fasting glucose above 100.

The current protocol I’m on seems to be doing me quite well.

I was watching a video with a well known Hormone consultant – Broderick Chavez and he said the proper dose should be about .1 - .2 units per week per total body weight in kilograms. Being 100 kg, using my current protocol is puts me right around 12 units per week which is fine.

I recently saw a video by a doctor at a antiaging clinic stating that growth hormone not only does not cause cancer, but it actually can be given to patients with cancer because of the higher molecular weight It cannot promote growth in the cancer cell. He mentioned that there was a study done in Russia and Finland, which confirmed this so, assuming this is true, this is great news.

As far as compared to taking growth hormone releasing peptides, it’s a night and day difference. The peptides didn’t do Jack shit, barely raise my IGF-I, and did not promote the healing, or fat loss at all compared to taking the real thing. I’ve heard this from numerous people as well.

I’m kind of torn because it works so well I don’t wanna go off and I don’t really see a reason to, other than saving some money.

 

[Gman86]

I know this is an old thread, but just wanted to say I started growth hormone often on and off about a year ago, but have been on steadily since May of this year. Reason being is I had a significant shoulder injury and read that taking growth hormone along with some healing peptides would accelerate the healing.

Anyway, as far as levels go – my natural IGF-1 level was 180. 1.2 units per day put me at 220. Overtime I kept increasing to three units per day but run two days on, one day off - which probably puts me in the low 300s.

I noticed significant muscle gain and fat loss taking this along with my regular TRT regiment of Testosterone and Nandrolone.

One thing to watch is fasting glucose. However, if I take it pre-, or post heavy weightlifting workout, there really no change at all. When I was taking it before bed, I would wake up with a fasting glucose above 100.

The current protocol I’m on seems to be doing me quite well.

I was watching a video with a well known Hormone consultant – Broderick Chavez and he said the proper dose should be about .1 - .2 units per week per total body weight in kilograms. Being 100 kg, using my current protocol is puts me right around 12 units per week which is fine.

I recently saw a video by a doctor at a antiaging clinic stating that growth hormone not only does not cause cancer, but it actually can be given to patients with cancer because of the higher molecular weight It cannot promote growth in the cancer cell. He mentioned that there was a study done in Russia and Finland, which confirmed this so, assuming this is true, this is great news.

As far as compared to taking growth hormone releasing peptides, it’s a night and day difference. The peptides didn’t do Jack shit, barely raise my IGF-I, and did not promote the healing, or fat loss at all compared to taking the real thing. I’ve heard this from numerous people as well.

I’m kind of torn because it works so well I don’t wanna go off and I don’t really see a reason to, other than saving some money.

As long as money isn’t an issue I don’t see one reason why u should go off. It’s like testosterone. Giving urself the levels of a man in his prime hormonal, say 18-25ish, is never gonna be a bad thing. It’s not a bad thing when we’re in our prime, I don’t see how it can be a bad thing at any stage of life. It’s the same thing with any hormone, imo, including growth hormone obv. If I had the money for it, and could get it legally, or through a source I trusted, I would 100% be on it for life

I don’t want to derail the thread, but jc, what’s ur full protocol currently? And how u doing overall?