My First Labs With Nandrolone

[Vince]

My protocol, 70 mg of nandrolone, 70 mg of testosterone cypionate and 1000 mg of hcg weekly.

I inject 20 mg of nandrolone EOD, 20 mg of testosterone EOD and 500 iu of hcg twice a week.

Pregnenolone 10 mg, 25 mg of DHEA and no AI.

Labs are from LabCorp.

Testosterone, Serum >1500 H ng/dL range 264-916
Free Testosterone(Direct) 27.9 H pg/mL range 6.6-18.1
Dihydrotestosterone 53 ng/dL
DHEA-Sulfate 502.0 H ug/dL range 30.9-295.6 (age adjusted)
Estradiol, Sensitive 25.3 pg/mL range 8.0-35.0
Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 49.8 nmol/L range 19.3-76.4
Hematocrit 49.7 % range 37.5-51.0
Albumin 4.2 g/dL range 3.8-4.8

 

[Vince]

My old protocol is 16 mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500 iu of HCG twice a week, pregnenolone 10 mg, 25 mg of DHEA and no AI.

Testosterone, Serum 1118 Reference Range: 264-916 ng/dL
Free Testosterone(Direct) 27.3 Reference Range: 6.6-18.1 pg/mL
Estradiol, Sensitive 19.8 Reference Range: 8.0-35.0 of/mL
SHBG 47.7 Reference Range: 19.3-76.4 nmol/L
DHEA-Sulfate 424.8 Reference Range: 30.9-295.6 ug/dL (age adjusted)
Albumin 4.3 Reference Range: 3.6-4.8 g/dL
Tru T 38.46 range 16-31 ng/dL

 

[Nelson Vergel]

What testosterone test assay method ? ECLIA or LC/MS?

 

[madman]

What testosterone test assay method ? ECLIA or LC/MS?

Reference Range: 264-916 ng/dL

 

[madman]

My protocol, 70 mg of nandrolone, 70 mg of testosterone cypionate and 1000 mg of hcg weekly.

I inject 20 mg of nandrolone EOD, 20 mg of testosterone EOD and 500 iu of hcg twice a week.

Pregnenolone 10 mg, 25 mg of DHEA and no AI.

Labs are from LabCorp.

Testosterone, Serum >1500 H ng/dL range 264-916
Free Testosterone(Direct) 27.9 H pg/mL range 6.6-18.1
Dihydrotestosterone 53 ng/dL
DHEA-Sulfate 502.0 H ug/dL range 30.9-295.6 (age adjusted)
Estradiol, Sensitive 25.3 pg/mL range 8.0-35.0
Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 49.8 nmol/L range 19.3-76.4
Hematocrit 49.7 % range 37.5-51.0
Albumin 4.2 g/dL range 3.8-4.8

Should have tested FT using Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration.

 

[Vince]

I'm having my consultation on Friday. I'm sure my labs were done using the standard immunoassay.

 

[Wilson7]

Always request LC/MS for total. The nandrolone will cross react with the standard assay for total T. Labs aside, how do you feel?

 

[Vince]

Always request LC/MS for total. The nandrolone will cross react with the standard assay for total T. Labs aside, how do you feel?

Yes,I agree I should have. Since they know I’m on nandrolone, I didn’t think it was necessary.

 

[bochinit]

Hi Vince, how do you feel now about your protocol?

 

[madman]

I'm having my consultation on Friday. I'm sure my labs were done using the standard immunoassay.

You already knew that TT needs to be tested using LC/MS-MS when using nandrolone.

What's odd is the reference range you posted 264-916 ng/dL is for Labcorps TT (LC/MS-MS).

It should be stated on your requisition.

 

[Vince]

You already knew that TT needs to be tested using LC/MS-MS when using nandrolone.

What's odd is the reference range you posted 264-916 ng/dL is for Labcorps TT (LC/MS-MS).

It should be stated on your requisition.

It doesn’t state that LC/MS-MS on my Labs. I am having my consultation Friday.

 

[madman]

It doesn’t state that LC/MS-MS on my Labs. I am having my consultation Friday.

Did you have it done at LabCorp?

 

[Vince]

Hi Vince, how do you feel now about your protocol?

I like how I feel, on this protocol. I thought my DHT would get lower, it didn’t. I thought my estrogen, will be too low, but it’s not. My shbg pretty much stayed the same. My libido is very strong, also my wood is very strong. Good orgasms.

The one thing that is different, I started sweating at night. Mostly around my neck. It’s a clean sweat, I kind of enjoy waking up, with sweat around my neck.

I feel that my dose is too high, I need to lower it. I thought it would just be the opposite, that I would really need to increase my T dose.

 

[Vince]

Did you have it done at LabCorp?

Yes, LabCorp.

 

[madman]

Yes, LabCorp.

Then if the reference range on your blood work is 264-916 ng/dL then it would have been LC/MS-MS.

070001: Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS
TEST: 070001
Test number copied

CPT: 84403


Methodology

Liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS)


Reference Interval

Seeing as you had TT tested and FT (direct analog enzyme immunoassay) than you most likely had this test done: 070195: Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS | LabCorp

Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS
TEST: 070195
Test number copied

CPT: 84402; 84403


Methodology

Free: Direct analog enzyme immunoassay (EIA); Total: liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS)

Although the refernece range is not listed it should still be 264-916 ng/dL for TT (LC/MS-MS).

 

[Cataceous]

...
What's odd is the reference range you posted 264-916 ng/dL is for Labcorps TT (LC/MS-MS).
...

Both the standard and LC/MS-MS tests are using this as a normal range now:

004226: Testosterone, Total | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Total

www.labcorp.com

070001: Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

 

[madman]

Both the standard and LC/MS-MS tests are using this as a normal range now:

004226: Testosterone, Total | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Total

www.labcorp.com

070001: Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

Yes, but he had TT and FT tested together and most likely had this test done which is the LC/MS-MS.

070195: Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

 

[madman]

Both the standard and LC/MS-MS tests are using this as a normal range now:

004226: Testosterone, Total | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Total

www.labcorp.com

070001: Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

My mistake seeing as his FT was direct I thought he may have had them done together using this test:

070195: Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS | Labcorp

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

Looking over his labs and seeing where his TT sits his doctor must have requested the TT ECLIA.

 

[madman]

Yes, LabCorp.

Next time get this one: Testosterone, Total and Free (NO Upper Limit) plus Hematocrit

 

[Vince]

Next time get this one: Testosterone, Total and Free (NO Upper Limit) plus Hematocrit

I living in Wisconsin. Discount Labs, not available here.