Injections for muscle, gels for sex drive- Role of DHT

[Henry]

Hi,
How true is this statement? Someone said that on another forum and when he was asked to please explain it, he stated that gels raise DHT, which is for sex drive. On the other hand, injections raise testosterone levels higher, so that is for muscle.

I've been trying to read and understand this but I'm having a hard time grasping it. From what I read, DHT is a metabolite of testosterone and it's reaponsible for body hair growth, agression, strength, etc.

Wouldn't having higher DHT put more muscle on you?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

You may want to read this article from my friend's Millard's website
https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/dht/

 

[Gene Devine]

Henry - Let me explain; Transdermal applications of Testosterone must pass through the layers of the skin to be absorbed into the bloodstream as opposed to an injection that puts it right in directly.

Within our skin resides an enzyme called 5 alpha reductase (5-ar). This enzyme is also present in body tissues as well but not near as abundant within the skin - especially the scalp and scrotum.

This enzyme converts testosterone into DHT so those men who use a transdermal application tend to have a higher level of DHT.

Now, DHT is about 10 times more androgenic than testosterone and as such has positive and neg benefits. The positive benefits are a good result from the use of TRT but the big one is an increase in stated increase in libido!

So, the statement on the other forum is correct for this reason on its impact on libido. The downside for higher DHT for some men is hair loss.

Now, gaining lean muscle mass is based on Testosterone serum levels and not by the mode of application. While many men get higher levels of Testosterone levels via injection versus transdermal; the fact remains that muscle growth will happen depending upon serum levels and not mode of applications.

So, there you have it; hope this helps.

 

[Henry]

Thanks again Gene,
I attain higher levels of testosterone on injections. On injections, I hit a 1440 serum level of T and my DHT was 78. On Androgel, my total test hit 838 but my DHT was also 78.

 

[Henry]

So if I want to gain size and muscle mass, I need injections......Androgel won't get me there?

 

[Gene Devine]

So if I want to gain size and muscle mass, I need injections......Androgel won't get me there?

The fact remains that most men just don't absorb well enough to get levels like you want; you need to inject to get that.

Injections are the best way to get serum levels up to a targeted level and keep them there - much harder with transdermals.

 

[Henry]

Oh, now I understand. On gels, I never stayed at a steady level. Some days tests were 500's, most were 600's, a couple of 700's and one 800.

On injections, I can just sit at whatever level I want and build muscle from there..........

Thanks,
Henry

 

[Henry]

You may want to read this article from my friend's Millard's website
https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/dht/

Nelson,
Thank you for all the information. This is a great read.

 

[Gene Devine]

Oh, now I understand. On gels, I never stayed at a steady level. Some days tests were 500's, most were 600's, a couple of 700's and one 800.

On injections, I can just sit at whatever level I want and build muscle from there..........

Thanks,
Henry

So many things can change absorption rates that impact serum levels day in and day out.

With a injection the dose is spot on and put directly into the bloodstream so serum levels are easy to maintain and adjust.

IM is far superior to any other mode of application IMO.

 

[bigfred32]

I can only speak for myself but I respond really well with a TD, recently my last BW showed I had elevated DHT but had not been checked previously so we did not have a pre trt baseline. It was in the 160 range. I have no baldness issues but broke out with acne..Im in my 50''s so this was alittle distressing. Dr tried to put me on finestradide to lower DHT but based on this forum and my own research I refused and after talking with dr who is tottaly open minded she agreed.
PLUS I learned the redcross prohibits blood donations while using this drug. So if you need to donate to manage hemacrit, you cant.
All that being said, I have been a gym rat my whole life, my muscle growth is incredible right now and sex drive is through the roof!
I attribute it to DHT among finally getting trt pretty well dialed in and managed. I do hover at the higher end of e2 on the ultra srnsitive test, but it seems to work well for me. No side effects.
DHT is awesome!

 

[SuperDutyDave]

I started on TD compounded 10%, strong stuff, for a few months.....my numbers climbed and I felt somewhat better.....very soon after about the third month things changed and soon my numbers fell.....even after increasing dosage and frequency, three times per day application, my numbers were back down in the 300's absorbency was just for shit......weird !

So I moved to injections....Sub-Q EOD along with HCG Numbers are in mid 800's and free T is top range. Symptoms are gone feel good again. Muscle is good and so is libido. Still some challenges with ED but overl good

Hinestly don't know many guys that last on TD's for long all seem to convert