Nelson Vergel 's Testosterone plus HCG Protocol

[Cataceous]

Does it matter which order you draw each into the syringe? Could it be better to have the quickly absorbing water based HCG enter the site first?

I believe the draw order makes little difference with respect to the pharmacokinetics.

 

[xqfq]

I believe the draw order makes little difference with respect to the pharmacokinetics.

I find it much easier to draw the testosterone first. With testosterone, there's always bubbles I like to move around and then push out of the syringe after drawing. If I draw HCG first it makes it much more difficult to do that, so my dosing of testosterone ends up being less accurate.

 

[Cataceous]

I find it much easier to draw the testosterone first. With testosterone, there's always bubbles I like to move around and then push out of the syringe after drawing. If I draw HCG first it makes it much more difficult to do that, so my dosing of testosterone ends up being less accurate.

How do you avoid low pressure in your hCG vial? I didn't have problems with bubbles as long as I drew the testosterone pretty slowly, but I agree it's easier drawing it first. More recently I'm preparing extra syringes containing only the water-based drugs, so I can pre-pressurize that vial and then always draw from it after the testosterone.

 

[Blackhawk]

How do you avoid low pressure in your hCG vial? I didn't have problems with bubbles as long as I drew the testosterone pretty slowly, but I agree it's easier drawing it first. More recently I'm preparing extra syringes containing only the water-based drugs, so I can pre-pressurize that vial and then always draw from it after the testosterone.

I do the same as @xqfq. I do not ever inject air into the HCG vial, only allow it equalize when first mixing, and have never had any problem with it. I use 5000iu vials with 2.5ml of fluid. I could see a problem developing if it was 10Kiu and 10ml, but at 2.5ml volume, no problem.

 

[Cataceous]

I do the same as @xqfq. I do not ever inject air into the HCG vial, only allow it equalize when first mixing, and have never had any problem with it. I use 5000iu vials with 2.5ml of fluid. I could see a problem developing if it was 10Kiu and 10ml, but at 2.5ml volume, no problem.

The extra viscosity of the oil may help prevent the suction from pulling it into the hCG vial. But in the reverse case I have had a water-based drug sucked from the syringe into the oil-based drug when the vial's pressure was too low.

 

[Blackhawk]

The extra viscosity of the oil may help prevent the suction from pulling it into the hCG vial. But in the reverse case I have had a water-based drug sucked from the syringe into the oil-based drug when the vial's pressure was too low.

Could be correct. I've never had that problem drawing T first, HCG second.

Another technique rather than injecting air into vial is to just insert a new clean needle into the vial without the plunger in the syringe from time to time to allow pressure to equalize.

 

[xqfq]

How do you avoid low pressure in your hCG vial? I didn't have problems with bubbles as long as I drew the testosterone pretty slowly, but I agree it's easier drawing it first. More recently I'm preparing extra syringes containing only the water-based drugs, so I can pre-pressurize that vial and then always draw from it after the testosterone.

I don't think I've ever had problems with low pressure in the HCG vile (Empower HCG, if it matters). With my testosterone, I inject several (5 or so) syringes worth of air when I first break the seal on the vile. This seems to help speed up the draw into my insulin syringes.

 

[JimGainz]

My urologist said to never take HCG and testosterone on the same day because it spikes estrogen too much. I do it the same day just to cut down on the number of times I pin each week. Also, many docs warn to never mix HCG and test in the same syringe but I have used it this way for the past few months, thanks to Nelson’s video, and had some of the best labs in a long time.

 

[JimGainz]

By the way, Nelson, where did you get that cool ExcelMale t-shirt in the video. I want to buy one.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

By the way, Nelson, where did you get that cool ExcelMale t-shirt in the video. I want to buy one.

I should get some made for sale. You are right!

 

[Jeffa1369]

I agree, don't cycle HCG.

Just so I’m clear, I have just started using hcg with my trt. 500 iu 3 times a week. I was told to use for 1 month then off two/3 months then back on. You suggest using continuously from now on?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Just so I’m clear, I have just started using hcg with my trt. 500 iu 3 times a week. I was told to use for 1 month then off two/3 months then back on. You suggest using continuously from now on?

What's your goal? Fertility, sex drive and or to prevent testicular shrinkage?

 

[Jeffa1369]

What's your goal? Fertility, sex drive and or to prevent testicular shrinkage?

Prevent further atrophy keep them at normal size and sex drive. I’ve noticed a big difference in the month I was using.

 

[Fortunate]

Are you guys still mixing test and hCG? Anyone discover any issues not described here? What size needles are you using? @Cataceous, I believe you are using 31g needles?

 

[Vince]

Are you guys still mixing test and hCG? Anyone discover any issues not described here? What size needles are you using? @Cataceous, I believe you are using 31g needles?

I use a 29 g half-in syringe for both my testosterone and HCG.

 

[JimGainz]

I still mix them both in the same syringe whether IM or Subq. I use a 27g needle.

 

[Cataceous]

Are you guys still mixing test and hCG? Anyone discover any issues not described here? What size needles are you using? @Cataceous, I believe you are using 31g needles?

Yes, still using 31g needles and still combining water- and oil-based drugs in the same syringe. Testosterone esters and peptides in the morning, progesterone and peptides before bed.

 

[Frizzle]

What about the sensitivity of the Leydig cells? Is there hard evidence that HCG will not harm them in long term?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Can HCG Stop Working After Long Term Use in Men?

LONG TERM HCG- Does it stop working due to testicle Leydig cell desensitization? This study of two people did not show issues after 23 months of high doses: A STUDY OF HUMAN TESTICULAR FUNCTION BY THE USE OF HUMAN MENOPAUSAL GONADOTROPHIN AND OF HUMAN CHORIONIC GONADOTROPHIN IN MALE...

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Is Long Term HCG Use Toxic to Testicular Cells?

NELSON Vergel my dear Brother, i found this Information out today. Do you find it SCARY or not SCARY at all? The PUBmed Research" article here hCG-induced endoplasmic reticulum stress triggers apoptosis and reduces steroidogenic enzyme expression through activating transcription factor 6 in...

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[Frizzle]

Hi Nelson, thanks for the information, and from your own personal experience ?