Combining cream and injection

[gallant]

I'm seeing lots of guys are really liking doing this. They are typically lowering their injection dosage and doing 50mgs of cream in the morning. Anyone here doing this with good results and will Defy be agreeable to this approach?

 

[Dicky]

I do both cream and injections and I use Defy. It was one of Defy's PA's that suggested cream to me. I often have low or lowish E2 in relation to my testosterone levels. She suggested that the cream might aromatize better and give me better E2 levels without having to increase my T levels. She was right. But I ended up adding back a low level of T Cypionate, just to give me a baseline level of T. I was feeling just a little bit off with the cream only.

BTW, Defy has never once turned down an idea I wanted to explore. They have talked me out of one idea that they didn't think would help me. But they would have let me do it if I had wanted to. I love those people to death. They are what a true medical relationship should be. You tell them your goals and ideas and they work with those and turn them recommendations for treatment. If you don't have any ideas of your own, they are very skilled at recommending things for you. Most people on here are fairly detail oriented. So lots of us come to them with ideas to better our treatment. Defy welcomes that kind of thing. I can't say enough good things about them

 

[Smokey]

I do both cream and injections and I use Defy. It was one of Defy's PA's that suggested cream to me. I often have low or lowish E2 in relation to my testosterone levels. She suggested that the cream might aromatize better and give me better E2 levels without having to increase my T levels. She was right. But I ended up adding back a low level of T Cypionate, just to give me a baseline level of T. I was feeling just a little bit off with the cream only.

BTW, Defy has never once turned down an idea I wanted to explore. They have talked me out of one idea that they didn't think would help me. But they would have let me do it if I had wanted to. I love those people to death. They are what a true medical relationship should be. You tell them your goals and ideas and they work with those and turn them recommendations for treatment. If you don't have any ideas of your own, they are very skilled at recommending things for you. Most people on here are fairly detail oriented. So lots of us come to them with ideas to better our treatment. Defy welcomes that kind of thing. I can't say enough good things about them

Can you share your cream plus injection protocol in terms of amounts? Thanks!

 

[Dialingitin]

I am dialing in my sweet spot protocol using the "how I feel" method. I started with cream only (100mg/week equivalent), which I liked a lot (50% scrotal, 50% collarbone area) but my skin did not like it (itchy bumps and rashes). I then switched to once/week 100mg Test E injection (xyosted), which is "ok" but noticed diminished energy in the gym and recovery was not what it was on cream towards the end of the 7 day interval.

I am now "supplementing" my weekly injection with scrotal cream as follows: inject Saturday morning, top up with cream on the following Wed morning and Friday morning. Those top up doses are pretty low, each at 50% of the standard daily dose (so, roughly 7-8mg equivalent for each day).

This seems to be keeping my gym time at a consistent good energy level, no ligament/tendon/joint pain and speedy recoveries. I am still experimenting with the cream (days and amounts) but I like what seems to be a DHT bump while the Test E winds down.

No numbers on any of this - I am purely going off of how I feel and my doc enjoys hearing about my experimentation.

 

[Smokey]

Thanks for the feedback. I am going to try a protocol but with 150 per week and daily cream at 50 mg scrotum application. Will provide feedback

 

[Dicky]

Can you share your cream plus injection protocol in terms of amounts? Thanks!

1.5 clicks of cream to the scrotum every day (IIRC 1 click = 50mg test)
20 mg cypionate 2X/week
.15 ml HCG 2X/week

 

[Smokey]

Thanks for sharing

 

[Forty2]

Ho

1.5 clicks of cream to the scrotum every day (IIRC 1 click = 50mg test)
20 mg cypionate 2X/week
.15 ml HCG 2X/week

How many iu of HCG is in 0.15ml?

 

[Dicky]

Ho

How many iu of HCG is in 0.15ml?

Now that you mention it, i don't really know. I had always thought that .15ml = 150 IU. But now that you ask I can't say for sure

 

[Tman]

I tried the cream and injection protocol after 2 years struggling with injections only at a variety of doses and timing. Finally took the plunge and switched to a clinic that focused on creams. Before, conversations were more about how low SHBG impacted the benefits and trying to manage E2. For the last 2 months...apply and forget. I've finally found a process that works. It's been so much easier.

 

[Fortunate]

I tried the cream and injection protocol after 2 years struggling with injections only at a variety of doses and timing. Finally took the plunge and switched to a clinic that focused on creams. Before, conversations were more about how low SHBG impacted the benefits and trying to manage E2. For the last 2 months...apply and forget. I've finally found a process that works. It's been so much easier.

How long have you been on this protocol? How many mg? Once a day?