What is TRT and What is NOT TRT

[SteveCleves]

@readalot youre still living in @RobRoy head rent free. he mentions you a couple of times on the latest podcast.

They discuss the TRAVERSE study. It goes off the rails after that into some decidedly non TRT areas

 

[tareload]

@readalot youre still living in @RobRoy head rent free. he mentions you a couple of times on the latest podcast.

They discuss the TRAVERSE study. It goes off the rails after that into some decidedly non TRT areas

Haha I wish. Actually quite a bit of my time to combat BS. Or as our smart Doc over here termed it..."extremist" IIRC.

Pretty stupid on my part but I can't help it. I care and Actually pay attention to the *do no harm* part.

 

[BigTex]

@readalot youre still living in @RobRoy head rent free. he mentions you a couple of times on the latest podcast.

They discuss the TRAVERSE study. It goes off the rails after that into some decidedly non TRT areas

OK......so Rob Roy is Dr. Keith Nichols? Yeah, I stopped the video when they went off the rails. Not sure politics need to be wrapped into TRT. Honestly this is the 1st time I have ever heard of any of these guys. I'm just not big on these pod casts no matter who does them. If it last more than 10 minutes I get bored and my mind gets on other things.

 

[Charliebizz]

OK......so Rob Roy is Dr. Keith Nichols? Yeah, I stopped the video when they went off the rails. Not sure politics need to be wrapped into TRT. Honestly this is the 1st time I have ever heard of any of these guys. I'm just not big on these pod casts no matter who does them. If it last more than 10 minutes I get bored and my mind gets on other things.

they got a lot of notoriety from danny bossa Facebook group to be honest. I know most guys in this forum hate that group (as did I at one point). But a lot of the guys in that group were very instrumental In me finally getting better.

 

[tareload]

they got a lot of notoriety from danny bossa Facebook group to be honest. I know most guys in this forum hate that group (as did I at one point). But a lot of the guys in that group were very instrumental In me finally getting better.

And just FYI there is nothing extreme or supraphysiologic about protocol you described. Your peak and mean TT/FT levels appear very reasonable (I will spare the gory detail). I don't even care if they pitch supra T as a novel experiment. Fine.

But the blanket statements gotta stop. Elevated Hct is harmless. More E2 more fun. More T more better. What is a matter with you pussy? Can't handle a man's dose? BLAH BLAH. Fun for Jerry Springer. Bad for guys listening and taking it as accurate.

 

[Belekas]

And just FYI there is nothing extreme or supraphysiologic about protocol you described. Your peak and mean TT/FT levels appear very reasonable (I will spare the gory detail). I don't even care if they pitch supra T. Fine.

But the blanket statements gotta stop. Elevated Hct is harmless. More T more better. BLAH BLAH. Fun for Jerry Springer. Bad for guys listening and taking it as accurate.

You read my mind brother, I just wanted to post this! Beat me by 10 secs or so lol

 

[tareload]

You read my mind brother, I just wanted to post this! Beat me by 10 secs or so lol

My bad. I can delete and you post if you want LOL!

 

[Belekas]

My bad. I can delete and you post if you want LOL!

No cheating. I'll work on my speed hehe

 

[tareload]

No cheating. I'll work on my speed hehe

Fire away. It needs to be said till it sinks in over in TOT land for the "non-wokester TOT Oath-Keeping Patriots" or whatever they call themselves.

 

[BigTex]

And just FYI there is nothing extreme or supraphysiologic about protocol you described. Your peak and mean TT/FT levels appear very reasonable (I will spare the gory detail). I don't even care if they pitch supra T as a novel experiment. Fine.

But the blanket statements gotta stop. Elevated Hct is harmless. More E2 more fun. More T more better. What is a matter with you pussy? Can't handle a man's dose? BLAH BLAH. Fun for Jerry Springer. Bad for guys listening and taking it as accurate.

I guess all of those types of statements are harmful if you let them bother you. I have done 1g of testosterone a week in my life and very comfortable with being a man so associating my dose with my man hood has no effect on me. I think it is very important for all of us to use a huge amount of critical thinking when we listen to these internet doctors talk. My 1st question is why do they do pod cast in the 1st place? Out of the goodness of their hearts? BS. My doctors is busy seeing patients from the time he opens his office to the time he closes and also opens on Saturdays. He has been practicing for 35 years. I told him once that he really needs to take time off and go have lunch. He doesn't need more patients and certainly doesn't have the time to do these 1 hour pod casts for Youtube hits. I would certainly take anything I hear on any podcast with a huge grain of salt. Which I guess is why I have never bothered listening to any of them. Way too much of a waste of time.

 

[Charliebizz]

No your

And just FYI there is nothing extreme or supraphysiologic about protocol you described. Your peak and mean TT/FT levels appear very reasonable (I will spare the gory detail). I don't even care if they pitch supra T as a novel experiment. Fine.

But the blanket statements gotta stop. Elevated Hct is harmless. More E2 more fun. More T more better. What is a matter with you pussy? Can't handle a man's dose? BLAH BLAH. Fun for Jerry Springer. Bad for guys listening and taking it as accurate.

no your right. I don’t understand why he attacks you. Even if you were wrong it just gives him more of a chance to explain himself.

but we do have men here that think even if your near the top of the range that your pushing the limits. I used to feel the same way. And it held me back from feeling better.

 

[Charliebizz]

I guess all of those types of statements are harmful if you let them bother you. I have done 1g of testosterone a week in my life and very comfortable with being a man so associating my dose with my man hood has no effect on me. I think it is very important for all of us to use a huge amount of critical thinking when we listen to these internet doctors talk. My 1st question is why do they do pod cast in the 1st place? My doctors is busy seeing patients from the time he opens his office to the time he closes and also opens on Saturdays. He has been practicing for 35 years. I told him once that he really needs to take time off and go have lunch. He doesn't need more patients and certainly doesn't have the time to do these 1 hour pod casts for Youtube hits. I would certainly take anything I hear on any podcast with a huge grain of salt. Which I guess is why I have never bothered listening to any of them. Way too much of a waste of time.

I always thought that when I was a patient of dr crisler. No disrespect to him. But when I drove from Ny to Michigan to see him i Was like hmmm. Why does such a big time dr have an office inside of someone else’s office. Legit a purple door in the back of another practice. And why could I always get an appointment right away. Out where I live it takes weeks to months to see any specialist

 

[BigTex]

Same here, it is not easy to get in any doctor. I have to go a month in advance to see an orthopedist.

 

[Belekas]

I have a great massage therapist back home and another great sports massage therapist or how they called where people shit their pants during the session so the waiting time can be anywhere from 6 months to 1 year and sometimes more. For the record I didnt shit my pants because we used to train together back in the day and asked him to be more gentle. Fuck me, barely finished the session lol But he became so well known for his work that folks from California, New Zealand, Australia, Japan, etc come to see him on the regular. He dont need to marketing, no podcasts, nothing. Amazing how well hes doing and hes busy like a crazy.

 

[Blackhawk]

Fire away. It needs to be said till it sinks in over in TOT land for the "non-wokester TOT Oath-Keeping Patriots" or whatever they call themselves.

Taking up arms over dogma is what science is all about.

 

[Charliebizz]

Taking up arms over dogma is what science is all about.

Let me correct you. “what it’s supposed to be about “

 

[Charliebizz]

Fire away. It needs to be said till it sinks in over in TOT land for the "non-wokester TOT Oath-Keeping Patriots" or whatever they call themselves.

I wanna know why @RobRoy tells you to “ reveal your identity“ and then we ask for him to do the same and he bails out ?

 

[aneuman]

Why does such a big time dr have an office inside of someone else’s office. Legit a purple door in the back of another practice. And why could I always get an appointment right away. Out where I live it takes weeks to months to see any specialist

Sounds like Saul Goodman.... Did he have cucumber water too?

 

[Charliebizz]

Sounds like Saul Goodman.... Did he have cucumber water too?

No but was a very strange experience

 

[BigTex]

I agree that is strange. I knew Crisler through DATbTrue. I communicated frequently by email, and through postings at Professional Muscle. Had no idea about his business as a doctor and assumed he was well known in the field. He was very interested in our experiences with peptides. Honestly I would have been shocked as you were. I knew many of the guys on his board from other boards but very rarely participated in Crisler's board as I was not interested in TRT at the time. I was still doing more of the blast and cruise type doses and only interested in being BIG.