To HCG or not To HCG

[Fernando Almaguer]

So, after all the hoopla- I wonder how many guys feel fine on no hcg? How many absolutely need it? Can we find the reason why?

I find that I can go no HCG for a little while but then I miss it. Go back on and the water retention, erections get soft. So I wonder where the balance is. I typically take 250 to 500 ius twice a week and 60 mg test twice a week.

 

[ivkonst2017]

I feel terrible on no HCG. My libido drops, erection drops, I cannot orgasm and feel worse after every inproper orgasm. Apart from that my energy falls and my appetite increases, also I get more irritable.

I've discovered to tolerate around 700-750 ui HCG per week injected as often as possible(currently cannot do it more often than 3 times a week because of the HCG product I use is in predosed pen). Less than that weekly dose don't give me enough benefits, more give me too much side effects.

For example 750 is OK, but 250 EOD which is 825 weekly gets a bit too much and the side effects are noticable already. Of course I think this might be bit different with a different HCG product, I dont think all of them are equal or the same potency.

I see a lot of people overdoing HCG, doses like 250 EOD, 500 EOD or 500 3 times a week because they have read that in a study and after that they claim HCG doesnt suit with them without giving a shot of a smaller dose. I dont give a shit what the studies say if my body has different opinion on the matter so I prefer to listen to my body.

 

[Gman86]

I feel terrible on no HCG. My libido drops, erection drops, I cannot orgasm and feel worse after every inproper orgasm. Apart from that my energy falls and my appetite increases, also I get more irritable.

I've discovered to tolerate around 700-750 ui HCG per week injected as often as possible(currently cannot do it more often than 3 times a week because of the HCG product I use is in predosed pen). Less than that weekly dose don't give me enough benefits, more give me too much side effects.

For example 750 is OK, but 250 EOD which is 825 weekly gets a bit too much and the side effects are noticable already. Of course I think this might be bit different with a different HCG product, I dont think all of them are equal or the same potency.

I see a lot of people overdoing HCG, doses like 250 EOD, 500 EOD or 500 3 times a week because they have read that in a study and after that they claim HCG doesnt suit with them without giving a shot of a smaller dose. I dont give a shit what the studies say if my body has different opinion on the matter so I prefer to listen to my body.

Have u tried taking an ai while using HCG?

 

[ivkonst2017]

Have u tried taking an ai while using HCG?

i woulsnt touch AI unless only for a short period if I decide to go on high doses of anabolics. I have no issues with high levels of e2 and the problem with HCG is diffeerent, not to mention you cannot stop the e2 from hcg with ai

 

[Fernando Almaguer]

Have u tried taking an ai while using HCG?

Do you suggest that? Tamoxifen?

 

[Vince]

I've been injecting 500 IU of HCG twice a week, for over 6 and 1/2 years. The longest I haven't injected HCG, one week. I've never had any bad issues injecting HCG. I really don't know how I would feel not using HCG. But I feel great with it.

 

[JimGainz]

I go on and off but always back on because I start feeling like crap after 3 weeks w/o it - not to mention my balls start pulling up
inside me which is painful. I take 200 IUs every 3 days along with Testosterone and nandrolone. I also take a very small amount of an AI - .10 mg every time I inject. (I mix the AI tablets in a dropper bottle with vodka and count drops)

 

[Sergel]

I am on trt 2 years, and just added HCG 3 weeks ago, 500iu twice a week... Appart from my balls dropping, I can't say I feen much different... maybe a little clearer ... I wonder what effects on the mind HCG has because I definitely see one. My doc also had me lower my dose of T when starting HCG, I was in the 850s on injection day and he found this too high... The lower dose could also explain why I feel flat...

I wonder how long does it take to start doing what it is supposed to do... like more libido and more penile sensitivity? ... or will it ever...

Oh, and thank god for Cialis... lol

 

[MarkM]

When I started my testosterone injections I began with 500 mg of HCG twice a week as part of the protocol. I had high hopes of it helping backfill the pathways that Dr. Crisner used to preach about. I really hoped it would do that for me. It didn't do anything for me personally so I stopped after 6 months. I understand it helps many men but I was not one of them. Although in business, many people think I am huge balls, in actuality they are pretty small and the HCG did not help them get in bigger or fuller. However, I think it is worth trying to see if one will benefit from it.

My protocol has been consistent for a long time now. Along with my testosterone injections I supplement with DHEA, pregnenolone, and a cream that consist of progesterone, pregnenolone and 7 Keto DHEA.

 

[ivkonst2017]

850s on injection day and he found this too high... The lower dose could also explain why I feel flat...

I wonder how long does it take to start doing what it is supposed to do... like more libido and more penile sensitivity? ... or will it ever...

Most men on TRT need higher test levels to feel optimal, of course free t is more important. I for example feel best around 1200-1300 total t with SHBG of around 30. I dont say you need this much, but for example I know guys who need 1500-1600 to feel really good. Of course some feel best at 500.

To assume that the levels of a guy on TRT should be in the reference ranges of natural men for both testosterone and e2 is a mistake many doctors do due to two reasons. First these ranges have become too low and they are totally compromised. And second the practice shows when someone is on exogenous hormones often he needs to go higher to get the effect that he would get on endogenous production of that hormone. Same applies for thyroid and progesterone in women for example.

In few words most guys Ive seen who feel really optimal on TRT maintain their total t above 1000 which is nothing really high.

 

[Dicky]

I feel terrible on TRT w/out HCG. Just terrible. Out of breath, fatigued, anxious, unable to sleep. If it weren't for HCG I would not be able to tolerate TRT.

 

[StepbyStep]

I've been on HCG for almost the entire time that I've been on TRT. I ran out a few months ago because my insurance stopped covering it so I decided to just see what happens.

Didn't take long for my balls to shrink, weak orgasms, and I just didn't feel as good. I definitely got more tired and irritable. I think I was off HCG for only 3 weeks before I wound up just paying out of pocket for it.

I can honestly say that I would quit TRT if I couldn't get HCG.

 

[Gman86]

I've been on HCG for almost the entire time that I've been on TRT. I ran out a few months ago because my insurance stopped covering it so I decided to just see what happens.

Didn't take long for my balls to shrink, weak orgasms, and I just didn't feel as good. I definitely got more tired and irritable. I think I was off HCG for only 3 weeks before I wound up just paying out of pocket for it.

I can honestly say that I would quit TRT if I couldn't get HCG.

What’s ur HCG protocol?

 

[StepbyStep]

What’s ur HCG protocol?

500iu x2 a week.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Dr. Keith Nichols (who, yes, I'm aware isn't highly revered in this forum) swears HCG isn't necessary as long as you optimize any and all upstream hormones that might be thrown off by TRT, e.g. pregnenolone. I tend to agree with this view, and while it might take some trial and error to get those levels properly optimized, it's preferable to the extra (and often unpredictable) androgen and estrogen spike you get with HCG.

 

[Fortunate]

I have written on and off about hCG in this forum. After being on it for several years, I decided to go off of it for a few trials, a few weeks at a time. I am pretty certain that I feel better on it. I do a low daily dose. 100 IU/day.

 

[Swilsondc]

I started a thread a few weeks back(HCG, Test, libido) after being on HCG for awhile then going off a couple of times due to it being out of stock. Both times I saw my libido go up and erection quality but other things go down like overall mood & ball shrinkage. I was using 280ius 3x/wk. since then I’ve come to personally find out less is better for me. Still playing around with what is optimal. Like 250iu 2x/wk or 200iu 3x/wk etc. with lowering it though I am seeing better benefits all around. No shrinkage, better libido and better mood.