Testosterone Propionate

[Smokin Joe]

Is anyone using Empower Pharmacy for Testosterone Propionate?
I am currently using Natesto but not really getting anything out of of it.
I was following a thread here about Testosterone Propionate and am very interested in trying a run on it.
S.J.

 

[Deleted member 16042]

Yes, I use it mixed with enanthate. I think straight prop would be too much of a roller coaster for me.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Thanks.
I've seen where some using Propionate get a big pop in libido.
I need something in this area as well as focus.
Natesto has been up and down hard to balance.
Haven't gotten my total T over 400 with free t at 6.5 still low.
Considering trying Empower through Defy.

 

[Gman86]

I’m taking it currently, but only at a very low dose of 10mg/ week with my nandrolone base

I have taken their prop in the past while on a test based protocol, and it did what it was supposed to. Numbers looked good, for the dosage I was on

If ur looking to give prop a go, I would say going with empowers prop isn’t a bad idea

 

[t_spacemonkey]

I do, over a year now. 20-30mg/daily (rotating dosing). works best for me. ups/downs are good. prop works for sensitive guys with low shbg like me

 

[Smokin Joe]

Has anyone had a significant increase in libido/desire to have sex.
Mine has tanked and it is an issue with me.
I have some ed as well but I have to wonder what is the issue?
My new Urologist doesn't entertain cause and effect like I do. He say the end results are all the same.
This drives me nuts...

 

[Gman86]

Has anyone had a significant increase in libido/desire to have sex.
Mine has tanked and it is an issue with me.
I have some ed as well but I have to wonder what is the issue?
My new Urologist doesn't entertain cause and effect like I do. He say the end results are all the same.
This drives me nuts...

I can’t comment on this personally, since I’m on a super low dose, and most of my androgens are coming from nandrolone, but check this vid out if u haven’t seen it already. His libido is apparently through the roof on prop. From my understanding, prop also inhibits the HPTA less, which could potentially allow downstream hormones to be less suppressed, which can definitely help with things like libido.

 

[Smokin Joe]

I'll watch shortly.
Is your regular doctor/ Urologist writing the prescription for you or are you using Defy or equivalent?

 

[Smokin Joe]

Good video.
I'm definitely interested.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Good video.
I'm definitely interested.

 

[Gman86]

I'll watch shortly.
Is your regular doctor/ Urologist writing the prescription for you or are you using Defy or equivalent?

I’m with Defy

 

[Smokin Joe]

Thanks again.
I'll reach out to them soon.
I'm a former patient a few years ago..

 

[Gman86]

Thanks again.
I'll reach out to them soon.
I'm a former patient a few years ago..

Any time man. Defy is awesome. Been with them forever now, and won’t ever go anywhere else, unless they for some reason close and I have no choice lol

But goodluck with the prop if u end up trying it. I definitely think shorter ester preparations of test are the way to go, on HRT, if u can make them work for u

 

[Smokin Joe]

10-4
Thanks for all of the advice!

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Defy is awesome. Been with them forever now, and won’t ever go anywhere else, unless they for some reason close and I have no choice lol

Do they make you test LH and IGF-1 on follow-up labs? They keep asking me to do this and I don't understand why. LH is obviously undetectable. I don't really care what my IGF-1 is, and it isn't relevant to my TRT protocol. Do they measure IGF-1 to help sell GH-promoting peptides?

 

[madman]

I can’t comment on this personally, since I’m on a super low dose, and most of my androgens are coming from nandrolone, but check this vid out if u haven’t seen it already. His libido is apparently through the roof on prop. From my understanding, prop also inhibits the HPTA less, which could potentially allow downstream hormones to be less suppressed, which can definitely help with things like libido.

Still spreading nonsense on here!

This is a myth!

T Propionate protocol

Well only 8mg of straight Prop peaked me at 1200 TT ! since Tprop would quickly taper off question is how long after injection. TBH the blood levels are way overvalued by most in T community. most of the action happens at the receptor you can't measure that. i completely ignore all those...

www.excelmale.com

 

[Gman86]

Do they make you test LH and IGF-1 on follow-up labs? They keep asking me to do this and I don't understand why. LH is obviously undetectable. I don't really care what my IGF-1 is, and it isn't relevant to my TRT protocol. Do they measure IGF-1 to help sell GH-promoting peptides?

They never make me check LH, but IGF-1 is mandatory, as far as what labs are needed for their mandatory 6 month follow up consults. They’ve never pushed anything growth hormone related on me personally.

 

[RobRoy]

Still spreading nonsense on here!

This is a myth!

T Propionate protocol

Well only 8mg of straight Prop peaked me at 1200 TT ! since Tprop would quickly taper off question is how long after injection. TBH the blood levels are way overvalued by most in T community. most of the action happens at the receptor you can't measure that. i completely ignore all those...

www.excelmale.com

Yes, he continues to spread nonsense because he doesn't know what he doesn't know

 

[Gman86]

I’m not big on studies, due to their flawed/ corrupt nature, but I have seen a study where they compared fertility levels in guys using cyp, and guys using prop, at the same dosage per week, and the men on prop had pretty significantly higher sperm counts, and quality

I haven’t dug too deep into Natesto, or Jatenzo, but from my understanding, both preserve fertility better than longer ester preparations of test, like test cyp/ enanthate. I assume this is due to their very short half lives, and therefore less HPTA suppression

Proviron has been shown to actually improve fertility levels, in men with low sperm counts. Part of the reason it’s able to avoid being as suppressive, in regards to fertility, as other AAS, is most likely due to it’s short half life.

And my personal anecdote doesn’t confirm anything, but with my latest child, I switched from deca and test enanthate, to NPP and test prop, to attempt to make conceiving easier, and me and my fiance were able to conceive the first month we tried. This is me being on HRT for a little over a decade, as well as being on pretty significantly higher dosages than most guys using HRT. Now would we have conceived the first month trying if I stayed on deca and test enanthate, maybe. Impossible to say, obv. But from everything I’ve seen/ read over the years, I fully believe that test preparations with either no ester, or a very short ester, will result in less HPTA suppression than longer ester test preparations. Btw, for reference, I’ll be 38 this year, and my son is 4 months old as of today

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I’m not big on studies, due to their flawed/ corrupt nature, but I have seen a study where they compared fertility levels in guys using cyp, and guys using prop, at the same dosage per week, and the men on prop had pretty significantly higher sperm counts, and quality

I haven’t dug too deep into Natesto, or Jatenzo, but from my understanding, both preserve fertility better than longer ester preparations of test, like test cyp/ enanthate. I assume this is due to their very short half lives, and therefore less HPTA suppression

It's an analog spectrum, not a binary on/off switch. There are infinite varying degrees of suppression in between fully functional HPTA and fully suppressed. You might apply the label of "suppressed" to any man with an LH of less than 0.5, however, an LH of 0.2 is less suppressed than an LH of 0.1. An LH of 0.4 is less suppressed than 0.2.

If you compare a long ester protocol where your trough total T is 800 ng/dL and a propionate protocol where your trough is 400 ng/dL, yes, I think you are less suppressed on the propionate, even if you still have a very low LH. The fact that you spend any amount of time with T as low as 400 ng/dL means there is probably at least a small spark of HPTA activity occurring some of the time. I'm with Gman 100% on this one.