Testosterone Pills Are Here. Why Are Guys Still Injecting?

[madman]

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a69530701/testosterone-pills-what-to-know/

All bout dem GAINZZZ BRUH!

More T is better BRUH!

Top me up or better yet jack me up 24/7 off the hop BRUH!

Im a real man...ALPHA MALE BRUH!

That so called raging libido and titanium erections to boot LMFAO!

Unrealistic expectations!

Lets hammer the s**t out of our CNS and DOPAMINE while we are at it to boot LMFAO!

Tons of grown ass men running around with absurdly inflated FT and we are talking f**king trough here!

Brainwashed by that more T is better mentality pushed by all those clueless sheep stinking up those so called men's health/HRT forums!

F**king cesspool of kiddie forums polluting the game!




New Oral TU formulations

 

[madman]

Thread 'KYZATREX® - A NEW ORAL TESTOSTERONE & Why It's Better Than Injections'

Sep 3, 2025

Show notes:

(0:00) Intro
(1:01) The 13-year FDA journey and breaking stigmas
(4:09) Why it’s different from other oral testosterone
(6:12) Mimicking the body’s natural testosterone rhythm
(9:10) Estrogen balance, side effects, and fertility concerns
(13:51) Testosterone’s role in women’s health
(16:56) Free vs total testosterone and SHBG reduction
(24:08) Testosterone vs weight loss drugs
(29:55) Who should be cautious with testosterone therapy
(35:46) What counts as low...

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• hypogonadism; oral-t/kyzarex; mens health
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• Forum: Testosterone and Men's Health Articles

 

[madman]

Tell me it ain't so! LOL!




Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline

Thread 'Testosterone Therapy Today: Clinical Advances & Safety with Dr. Abraham Morgentaler'

Sep 16, 2024

Dr. Morgentaler back in action!

Listen closely, loved this one!

Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline




Synopsis

Dr. Morgentaler starts by sharing his pioneering journey with testosterone...

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• prostate cancer; testosterone; psa; trt; health
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[Vince]

Tell me it ain't so! LOL!




Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline

Thread 'Testosterone Therapy Today: Clinical Advances & Safety with Dr. Abraham Morgentaler'

Sep 16, 2024

Dr. Morgentaler back in action!

Listen closely, loved this one!

Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline




Synopsis

Dr. Morgentaler starts by sharing his pioneering journey with testosterone...

• madman
• prostate cancer; testosterone; psa; trt; health
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• Forum: Testosterone and Men's Health Articles

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I may be wrong. The reason people are still injecting I would assumed is the cost. What is the cost of taking a pill compared to injection?
Did you switch from injection to using a pill?

 

[madman]

I may be wrong. The reason people are still injecting I would assumed is the cost. What is the cost of taking a pill compared to injection?
Did you switch from injection to using a pill?

Cost would definitely play a big part but we now have numerous pay out of pocket options which are far cheaper than insurance.

Fear of liver toxicity by the uninformed would be another reason.

Sad fact of the matter is many caught up on those so called men's health/HRT forums are being brainwashed by that more T is better mentality bulls**t being pushed by all those clueless sheep.

Unfortunately many are jacked up on T from the get-go.

Many take it to the extreme.

As we always say on here start low and go slow as it is much easier going up than having to come down.

There will always be time to increase the dose if need be.

Many still lack the understanding how exogenous T works.

It's a threshold hormone to boot!

You have guys running around with absurdly high trough FT levels and many end up struggling one way or another especially with libido all for the sake of those gains in the gym!

Many want to be jacked up on T from the get-go!

Unrealistic expectations here to boot especially when it comes to libido and erectile function.

In Canada as of now we only have the older oral TU (Andriol) which is rarely prescribed due to absorption issues/effectiveness.

Health Canada just approved one of the newer oral TU formulations Kyzatrex which should be available next spring.

Jatenzo and Tlando will most likely get approved sooner or later.

I am content with my current protocol which has me hitting a high-end trough TT and more importantly FT and I feel great overall.

I inject strictly sub-q so there is not a huge difference between my peak--->trough.

Would be open to giving Kyzatrex a go mind you I have no issues with elevated hematocrit, estradiol or libido/erections.

I have been on injections from the get-go (9 yrs ago) and also use hCG (Pregnyl).

Luckily our health insurance plan (OHIP) covers the cost of the testosterone and I do not pay for Pregnyl as. my health benefits from work cover it!

 

[madman]

T is a threshold hormone!

Main point here being start low and go slow titrate the dose if need be until the threshold is crossed (bloodwork + symptoms).

Symptoms improved while at the same time minimizing/avoiding sides, keeping blood markers healthy and maintaining long-term health is key here!

Crossing the threshold turns the lights on but cranking the dimmer switch past that doesn't make them shine brighter. It's a ceiling effect, not a linear dose-response.

Especially when it comes to libido and erectile function.

The majority of symptoms will be improved once you achieve a healthy FT which for most would be aiming for a healthy/high-end trough 15-25 ng/dL.

Yes some will choose to run higher levels but the main benefit you are going to get here when driving up your FT sky-high is better gains in muscle/enhanced strength and recovery.

No denying high FT levels 24/7 steady-state are optimal when it comes to packing on muscle/increasing strength that is why men abuse T/AAS!

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Another factor is simply lack of a significant number of symptom/performance reports on forums like this one. Lack of reports about combination with other compounds like nandrolone and oxandrolone would be another reason. If someone benefits from nandrolone for joint issues, that is a much more straight-forward addition on injectables. I may experiment with orals at some point if the cost is reasonable, but there just doesn't seem to be accumulated knowledge at this point. We have decades of user experience with injectables but very little on the orals. People reporting blood levels does not equate to long-term data on symptom resolution. Lack of wide availability until recently is another issue.

 

[madman]

Thread 'Treatment of Symptomatic Male Hypogonadism with New Oral Testosterone Therapies: A Comparative Review of Jatenzo, Tlando, and Kyzatrex'

Wednesday at 11:46 PM

https://www.mdpi.com/2305-6320/13/1/1#

Abstract

Symptomatic male hypogonadism, defined by low serum testosterone with associated clinical symptoms, is increasingly treated with testosterone replacement therapy. Traditional oral formulations were limited by hepatotoxicity and poor bioavailability, leading to reliance on injectable and transdermal routes. Recent advances in oral testosterone undecanoate formulations have introduced safer and more effective options. This review compares Jatenzo, Tlando, and Kyzatrex, highlighting their pharmacology, efficacy, safety, and...

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• hypogonadism; oral-t therapy; men's health
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• Forum: Testosterone and Men's Health Articles

 

[madman]

Thread 'JATENZO® Oral Testosterone Undecanoate - Efficacy, Flexible dosing and Safety Profile'

Yesterday at 8:36 AM

• madman
• hypogonadism; oral-t/jatenzo; mens health
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[madman]

Thread 'Oral Testosterone For Better Health'

Jul 10, 2025

Dr. Sun has treated over 1000 men with oral TU!

Most men do better 300-400 mg BID.

His breakfast/lunch dosing protocol is the most popular!

Curious about the real power of testosterone beyond the realm of bodybuilding? Join us as we sit down with Dr Andrew Sun, a fellowship-trained andrology specialist, who unpacks the diverse roles this crucial hormone plays in men's health. Discover the surprising factors, like poor sleep and metabolic syndrome, that can lower testosterone levels even in younger men. Andrew guides us through the significance of...

• madman
• hypogonadism; oral-t; kyzatrex; health
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[Phil Goodman]

Another factor is simply lack of a significant number of symptom/performance reports on forums like this one. Lack of reports about combination with other compounds like nandrolone and oxandrolone would be another reason. If someone benefits from nandrolone for joint issues, that is a much more straight-forward addition on injectables. I may experiment with orals at some point if the cost is reasonable, but there just doesn't seem to be accumulated knowledge at this point. We have decades of user experience with injectables but very little on the orals. People reporting blood levels does not equate to long-term data on symptom resolution. Lack of wide availability until recently is another issue.

This is a pretty spot on post. When choosing whether or not to be on the front line of anything, it’s generally better to not be unless you absolutely have to. I’m doing great on injectable testosterone. And madman, despite making a thread making fun of people on injectable testosterone, is on it himself.

And beyond the lack of long-term data on symptom resolution, there is also lack of data on detrimental side effects. Generally speaking the more benefits something has the more chances there are of unwanted sides(again…generally speaking). The key is to balance your approach to maximize the benefits while keeping the risks at an acceptable level. That can easily be done with injectable testosterone for most men who need it and either a.) have a good provider or b.) are reasonably intelligent/good at critical thinking and care enough to take their health into their own hands. I sit at the top of the range at trough while injecting 3x/week so madman would probably lump me in with the people he’s trashing in the first post of this thread(though he also runs levels that some would consider “absurdly high” as he likes to call it so I just laugh it off). My physical, mental, and emotional well-being are all great though as well as my blood markers. So I don’t really care if anyone thinks I’m dumb for using injectable testosterone.

 

[madman]

This is a pretty spot on post. When choosing whether or not to be on the front line of anything, it’s generally better to not be unless you absolutely have to. I’m doing great on injectable testosterone. And madman, despite making a thread making fun of people on injectable testosterone, is on it himself.

And beyond the lack of long-term data on symptom resolution, there is also lack of data on detrimental side effects. Generally speaking the more benefits something has the more chances there are of unwanted sides(again…generally speaking). The key is to balance your approach to maximize the benefits while keeping the risks at an acceptable level. That can easily be done with injectable testosterone for most men who need it and either a.) have a good provider or b.) are reasonably intelligent/good at critical thinking and care enough to take their health into their own hands. I sit at the top of the range at trough while injecting 3x/week so madman would probably lump me in with the people he’s trashing in the first post of this thread(though he also runs levels that some would consider “absurdly high” as he likes to call it so I just laugh it off). My physical, mental, and emotional well-being are all great though as well as my blood markers. So I don’t really care if anyone thinks I’m dumb for using injectable testosterone.

LMFAO went over your noggin as usual!

Stuck on reruns here.

YAWN.

You already got picked apart numerous times and earned yourself a spot in the dime a dozen club!

Go play on your kiddie forums and keep my name out your mouth!

 

[Phil Goodman]

LMFAO went over your noggin as usual!

Stuck on reruns here.

YAWN.

You already got picked apart numerous times and earned yourself a spot in the dime a dozen club!

Go play on your kiddie forums and keep my name out your mouth!

Says the guy asking why people are still using injectable testosterone when he himself uses injectable testosterone.

Says the guy who is sitting at the high end of the range at his trough. There are posters here who would say you are running absurdly high levels.

What’s funny is that your protocol and mine is very similar other than the fact that I do IM instead of sub q.

 

[madman]

Says the guy asking why people are still using injectable testosterone when he himself uses injectable testosterone.

Says the guy who is sitting at the high end of the range at his trough. There are posters here who would say you are running absurdly high levels.

What’s funny is that your protocol and mine is very similar other than the fact that I do IM instead of sub q.

Says the guy asking why people are still using injectable testosterone when he himself uses injectable testosterone.

Again stop putting words in peoples mouths!

Never stated such!

Sums up post #1:

As I have always preached on here 200 mg/week is overkill!

You have been on the forum for 4.5 yrs you should have known this by now LMFAO!

You just got dusted here.

Nothing but BACK ROUND NOISE now!




Says the guy who is sitting at the high end of the range at his trough. There are posters here who would say you are running absurdly high levels.

Again!

FT <5 ng/dL would be considerd low.

FT 5-9 ng/dL would be considered the grey zone where some men may experience symptoms of low-T.

FT 10-15 ng/dL would be healthy.

FT 20-25 ng/dL would be high-end/high!

Again!

The majority of men will do well with a trough FT 15-25 ng/dL depending on the injection frequency.

I run a trough cFTV 21.7 ng/dL and as you should very well know by now Vermeulen tends to slightly overestimate FT.

Tested using the most accurate assay the gold standard ED my trough FT would be lower.

Far cry from 30+ ng/dL BRUH!

Top it off I inject strictly-sub-q so there is not an extreme difference between my peak--->trough.

Try harder next time. round!

Childs play here!

 

[Phil Goodman]

Says the guy asking why people are still using injectable testosterone when he himself uses injectable testosterone.

Again stop putting words in peoples mouths!

Never stated such!

Sums up post #1:

As I have always preached on here 200 mg/week is overkill!

You have been on the forum for 4.5 yrs you should have known this by now LMFAO!

You just got dusted here.

Nothing but BACK ROUND NOISE now!




Says the guy who is sitting at the high end of the range at his trough. There are posters here who would say you are running absurdly high levels.

Again!

FT <5 ng/dL would be considerd low.

FT 5-9 ng/dL would be considered the grey zone where some men may experience symptoms of low-T.

FT 10-15 ng/dL would be healthy.

FT 20-25 ng/dL would be high-end/high!

Again!

The majority of men will do well with a trough FT 15-25 ng/dL depending on the injection frequency.

I run a trough cFTV 21.7 ng/dL and as you should very well know by now Vermeulen tends to slightly overestimate FT.

Tested using the most accurate assay the gold standard ED my trough FT would be lower.

Far cry from 30+ ng/dL BRUH!

Top it off I inject strictly-sub-q so there is not an extreme difference between my peak--->trough.

Try harder next time. round!

Childs play here!

1.)

The title of this thread is:

Testosterone Pills Are Here. Why Are Guys Still Injecting?​

So not sure how I’m putting words in your mouth.



2.) you and I both agree that 200 mg/week is way too high of a dose for most men


3.) there are other posters on this forum who would say that your levels are absurdly high and are absolutely supraphysiological. I was just pointing out that a lot your critiques of others are things that people could likewise criticize your protocol for, and that a lot of it just comes down to perspective. And again, funnily enough you and I have a very similar protocol and outlook on trt.

 

[madman]

1.)

The title of this thread is:

Testosterone Pills Are Here. Why Are Guys Still Injecting?​

So not sure how I’m putting words in your mouth.



2.) you and I both agree that 200 mg/week is way too high of a dose for most men


3.) there are other posters on this forum who would say that your levels are absurdly high and are absolutely supraphysiological. I was just pointing out that a lot your critiques of others are things that people could likewise criticize your protocol for, and that a lot of it just comes down to perspective. And again, funnily enough you and I have a very similar protocol and outlook on trt.

This is not me asking here LOL!

It was clearly taken from the link to the article!

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a69530701/testosterone-pills-what-to-know/

Testosterone Pills Are Here. Why Are Guys Still Injecting?​