Testosterone Pills Are Here. Why Are Guys Still Injecting?

[madman]

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a69530701/testosterone-pills-what-to-know/

All bout dem GAINZZZ BRUH!

More T is better BRUH!

Top me up or better yet jack me up 24/7 off the hop BRUH!

Im a real man...ALPHA MALE BRUH!

That so called raging libido and titanium erections to boot LMFAO!

Unrealistic expectations!

Lets hammer the s**t out of our CNS and DOPAMINE while we are at it to boot LMFAO!

Tons of grown ass men running around with absurdly inflated FT and we are talking f**king trough here!

Brainwashed by that more T is better mentality pushed by all those clueless sheep stinking up those so called men's health/HRT forums!

F**king cesspool of kiddie forums polluting the game!




New Oral TU formulations

 

[madman]

Thread 'KYZATREX® - A NEW ORAL TESTOSTERONE & Why It's Better Than Injections'

Sep 3, 2025

Show notes:

(0:00) Intro
(1:01) The 13-year FDA journey and breaking stigmas
(4:09) Why it’s different from other oral testosterone
(6:12) Mimicking the body’s natural testosterone rhythm
(9:10) Estrogen balance, side effects, and fertility concerns
(13:51) Testosterone’s role in women’s health
(16:56) Free vs total testosterone and SHBG reduction
(24:08) Testosterone vs weight loss drugs
(29:55) Who should be cautious with testosterone therapy
(35:46) What counts as low...

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• hypogonadism; oral-t/kyzarex; mens health
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[madman]

Tell me it ain't so! LOL!




Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline

Thread 'Testosterone Therapy Today: Clinical Advances & Safety with Dr. Abraham Morgentaler'

Sep 16, 2024

Dr. Morgentaler back in action!

Listen closely, loved this one!

Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline




Synopsis

Dr. Morgentaler starts by sharing his pioneering journey with testosterone...

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• prostate cancer; testosterone; psa; trt; health
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• Forum: Testosterone and Men's Health Articles

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[Vince]

Tell me it ain't so! LOL!




Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline

Thread 'Testosterone Therapy Today: Clinical Advances & Safety with Dr. Abraham Morgentaler'

Sep 16, 2024

Dr. Morgentaler back in action!

Listen closely, loved this one!

Pros/Cons oral TU (51:24-57:12)

* one of the things that the orals have transformed is the concept that you have to have a continually high level of testosterone to get the benefits and clearly that's not true and the safety profile seems to be improved by having levels that fluctuate some during the day returning to close to or even baseline




Synopsis

Dr. Morgentaler starts by sharing his pioneering journey with testosterone...

• madman
• prostate cancer; testosterone; psa; trt; health
• Replies: 8
• Forum: Testosterone and Men's Health Articles

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I may be wrong. The reason people are still injecting I would assumed is the cost. What is the cost of taking a pill compared to injection?
Did you switch from injection to using a pill?

 

[madman]

I may be wrong. The reason people are still injecting I would assumed is the cost. What is the cost of taking a pill compared to injection?
Did you switch from injection to using a pill?

Cost would definitely play a big part but we now have numerous pay out of pocket options which are far cheaper than insurance.

Fear of liver toxicity by the uninformed would be another reason.

Sad fact of the matter is many caught up on those so called men's health/HRT forums are being brainwashed by that more T is better mentality bulls**t being pushed by all those clueless sheep.

Unfortunately many are jacked up on T from the get-go.

Many take it to the extreme.

As we always say on here start low and go slow as it is much easier going up than having to come down.

There will always be time to increase the dose if need be.

Many still lack the understanding how exogenous T works.

It's a threshold hormone to boot!

You have guys running around with absurdly high trough FT levels and many end up struggling one way or another especially with libido all for the sake of those gains in the gym!

Many want to be jacked up on T from the get-go!

Unrealistic expectations here to boot especially when it comes to libido and erectile function.

In Canada as of now we only have the older oral TU (Andriol) which is rarely prescribed due to absorption issues/effectiveness.

Health Canada just approved one of the newer oral TU formulations Kyzatrex which should be available next spring.

Jatenzo and Tlando will most likely get approved sooner or later.

I am content with my current protocol which has me hitting a high-end trough TT and more importantly FT and I feel great overall.

I inject strictly sub-q so there is not a huge difference between my peak--->trough.

Would be open to giving Kyzatrex a go mind you I have no issues with elevated hematocrit, estradiol or libido/erections.

I have been on injections from the get-go (9 yrs ago) and also use hCG (Pregnyl).

Luckily our health insurance plan (OHIP) covers the cost of the testosterone and I do not pay for Pregnyl as. my health benefits from work cover it!

 

[madman]

T is a threshold hormone!

Main point here being start low and go slow titrate the dose if need be until the threshold is crossed (bloodwork + symptoms).

Symptoms improved while at the same time minimizing/avoiding sides, keeping blood markers healthy and maintaining long-term health is key here!

Crossing the threshold turns the lights on but cranking the dimmer switch past that doesn't make them shine brighter. It's a ceiling effect, not a linear dose-response.

Especially when it comes to libido and erectile function.

The majority of symptoms will be improved once you achieve a healthy FT which for most would be aiming for a healthy/high-end trough 15-25 ng/dL.

Yes some will choose to run higher levels but the main benefit you are going to get here when driving up your FT sky-high is better gains in muscle/enhanced strength and recovery.

No denying high FT levels 24/7 steady-state are optimal when it comes to packing on muscle/increasing strength that is why men abuse T/AAS!

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Another factor is simply lack of a significant number of symptom/performance reports on forums like this one. Lack of reports about combination with other compounds like nandrolone and oxandrolone would be another reason. If someone benefits from nandrolone for joint issues, that is a much more straight-forward addition on injectables. I may experiment with orals at some point if the cost is reasonable, but there just doesn't seem to be accumulated knowledge at this point. We have decades of user experience with injectables but very little on the orals. People reporting blood levels does not equate to long-term data on symptom resolution. Lack of wide availability until recently is another issue.