On hcg mono..not feeling great..opinions plz

[lsr75]

Hi all
Info:
41 yrs
Suffering from low t symptoms..depression..low mood..anxiety..testicular athrophy..for about 4 yrs after a small testerone cycle that i didnt do properly.

I did a few consults with Nelson and decided to try a hcg mono before opting to go on trt..
Nelson is a super nice guy and has been very helpful for anyone need advice.

After 4 yrs of suffering..smaller testicles..low mood.. I wanted to try something.. Had labs done.. I am pretty healthy .. T is kinda low 400-500.. Lh is low normal.. Everything else is ok.. Sex drive is ok..erections are ok.. Testicles are about half size they use to be.

Started hcg mono.. On a mon..wed..fri. For 2 weeks experiment.. First shot 2000iu followed by 1000 iu for next 2 weeks..now i am on week 3 at 500 iu..mon..wed..fri..and added in 0.1mg daily of anastrozole since mid point of week 2.

By Thursday of week 1 my testies dropped and filled a bit..my energy and mood was up..felt very good for a few days..i was very excited.. By that sunday i had very bad anxiety and testies smaller than when i started.. Since then my mood and energy have been up and down amd so has anxiety..mid point of week 2 i added in the AI 0.1 mg a day and it has helped with the anxiety and but i still don't feel very well and my testies are still smaller than when i started.. Mood and energy are low again also..

At this point my brain is fried from all tje reading amd research..lol ..not sure what to do or how i should feel.. My main reason for doing this was to feel better and hopefully regain some testicle size but i feel worse and testicles are smaller..
My guess is high e2 from the high hcg..
Right now the plan is to stay at 500 iu for 2 weeks..if no improvement then add in test c..

Any opinions on why my testes got smaller? I didnt think hcg would do that..will they come back?
Will adding in the test c make a difference..

Thx all

 

[johndoesmith]

This is difficult to follow.

You need to post your full results if you want advice, saying "LH was low normal" simply isn't enough for anyone to reasonably comment.

Am I correct that you're treating presumed high E2 with AI, minus any E2 tests ever performed?

Everything else is ok

If everything else is ok, why are you taking HCG? See it's hard to give any advice, when you post very little information, we need to see the actual results, because obviously everything is not okay.

 

[lsr75]

Labs were done 2 months before starting hcg

Estrsdiol. 44. Range 12-56
Testosterone. 283. Range 400-1200
T/shbg. 0.3. Range. .7-1.0
Dheas. 167. Range. 70-325
Shbg. 31. Range. 15-50
Cortisol. 19.4. Range. 8.5 - 19.8
Psa. 0.5. Range. 0.5-4
Lh. 2.7. Range. 1.0 - 8.4
Tsh. 0.87. Ramge. 0.35 - 5.50
T4 free. 11.9. Range. 10.0 - 28.2
T3 free. 5.8. Range. 4.3. - 8.1

Yes i started the AI with put a test.. I was showing high e2 symptoms and with the fact that high hcg dose is common with high 2e spikes..it made sense.. I am only doing a very low anastrozole dose 0.1mg daily..and since starting some of my symptoms have gotten better.

Thx

 

[johndoesmith]

Labs were done 2 months before starting hcg

Estrsdiol. 44. Range 12-56
Testosterone. 283. Range 400-1200
T/shbg. 0.3. Range. .7-1.0
Dheas. 167. Range. 70-325
Shbg. 31. Range. 15-50
Cortisol. 19.4. Range. 8.5 - 19.8
Psa. 0.5. Range. 0.5-4
Lh. 2.7. Range. 1.0 - 8.4
Tsh. 0.87. Ramge. 0.35 - 5.50
T4 free. 11.9. Range. 10.0 - 28.2
T3 free. 5.8. Range. 4.3. - 8.1

Yes i started the AI with put a test.. I was showing high e2 symptoms and with the fact that high hcg dose is common with high 2e spikes..it made sense.. I am only doing a very low anastrozole dose 0.1mg daily..and since starting some of my symptoms have gotten better.

Thx

Okay, certainly seems like your E2 was high in the beginning, and more likely than not high after your massive HCG doses.

Problem is, you are changing multiple things at once, and have no consistency. Each week is different, and then you're adding in AI. Therefore you have no idea what is doing what and how much of an effect it is having.

Not checking E2 prior to adding AI prevents you from learning what your response is to A. HCG and B. adex.

You need to adopt a consistent protocol of HCG without AI first. Treating entirely based on symptoms is foolish and will lead to problems.

Have you tried to consult a TRT physician? It's incredibly difficult to monitor and manage this yourself. You need an impartial third party with the requisite experience required to adequately manage the complex beast that is HCG monotherapy.

 

[lsr75]

I live in Canada and could only get a script for T cream..no hcg..
So i have decided to do it myself..with some consults from Nelson.. I have a good source for meds and can get anything i need.. I plan on using discount labs for my blood..but i am paying for all this out of pocket so i can only do so much..
I was gonna just go on trt but figured i would try hcg first..mainly to see if i could get my testicles back up to size

 

[Vince Carter]

Hi all
Info:
41 yrs
Suffering from low t symptoms..depression..low mood..anxiety..testicular athrophy..for about 4 yrs after a small testerone cycle that i didnt do properly.

I did a few consults with Nelson and decided to try a hcg mono before opting to go on trt..
Nelson is a super nice guy and has been very helpful for anyone need advice.

After 4 yrs of suffering..smaller testicles..low mood.. I wanted to try something.. Had labs done.. I am pretty healthy .. T is kinda low 400-500.. Lh is low normal.. Everything else is ok.. Sex drive is ok..erections are ok.. Testicles are about half size they use to be.

Started hcg mono.. On a mon..wed..fri. For 2 weeks experiment.. First shot 2000iu followed by 1000 iu for next 2 weeks..now i am on week 3 at 500 iu..mon..wed..fri..and added in 0.1mg daily of anastrozole since mid point of week 2.

By Thursday of week 1 my testies dropped and filled a bit..my energy and mood was up..felt very good for a few days..i was very excited.. By that sunday i had very bad anxiety and testies smaller than when i started.. Since then my mood and energy have been up and down amd so has anxiety..mid point of week 2 i added in the AI 0.1 mg a day and it has helped with the anxiety and but i still don't feel very well and my testies are still smaller than when i started.. Mood and energy are low again also..

At this point my brain is fried from all tje reading amd research..lol ..not sure what to do or how i should feel.. My main reason for doing this was to feel better and hopefully regain some testicle size but i feel worse and testicles are smaller..
My guess is high e2 from the high hcg..
Right now the plan is to stay at 500 iu for 2 weeks..if no improvement then add in test c..

Any opinions on why my testes got smaller? I didnt think hcg would do that..will they come back?
Will adding in the test c make a difference..

Thx all

You can't approach this in that manner and with due respect you're not up to speed on the subject to be adding medications like that because you don't feel good one day. It's always a recipe for failure as you see here now. Also very haphazard and mega doses of HCG isn't going to help you accomplish anything. Self-directed treatment unless youre very very knowledgeable just isn't going to work.
I wouldn't do more than 500iu 3X week, for starters, and then follow that with testing and only then should anything else be considered.

 

[johndoesmith]

I live in Canada and could only get a script for T cream..no hcg..
So i have decided to do it myself..with some consults from Nelson.. I have a good source for meds and can get anything i need.. I plan on using discount labs for my blood..but i am paying for all this out of pocket so i can only do so much..
I was gonna just go on trt but figured i would try hcg first..mainly to see if i could get my testicles back up to size

I would consider an information only consult from defy medical. With no disrespect to nelson, he is not a doctor, and is not suited for this.

Discounted labs only works in the US, so you will have to cross the border.

Clomid is probably better to try before HCG, as HCG is suppressive like TRT is, so there's not much of an advantage to it, IMO TRT or HCG monotherapy both have similar risks.

 

[CoastWatcher]

As a fellow Canadian I can offer you some tricks and tips on how you might find success with TRT. Message me if you want to chat.

 

[lsr75]

Not sure if i can pm anyone yet..i dont have enough posts

 

[CoastWatcher]

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