Nandrolone effect on Lp(a) 8 weeks in.

[bp]

60mg testosterone cypionate/qwk
30mg nandrolone decanoate/qwk

250mcg b12 IM q3wk


TT 1529
E2 44
SHBG 48

TSH 0.9

homocysteine 5.1

Hematocrit 50.4 (unchanged)
Hemoglobin 16.6 gr/dl (unchanged)


My issue was always massively raised Lp(a) in the LDL-c partition.
(Heterozygous Fh)

before ND
2.64 micromol/l

after 8weeks ND
1.435 micromol/l

almost in range for first time in my life. (Interestingly, atorvastatin therpy had it over 3.0 !)

I’m considering adding oxandrolone in microdose, in addition to the microdose of ND in attempt to attenuate Lp(a) further.

@Jason Sypolt
@Vince

have you noticed any similar trends?

 

[Vince]

I've never had any issues with Lp(a) we have had a number of discussions on it.

Lp(a) [Lipoprotein(a)] - the hidden killer lipid marker

As we learn more about how elevated levels of Lp(a) can potentially kill us before anyone can determine the cause, it is imperative that everyone get this lipid marker tested frequently, especially those on any type of HRT regimen. It is entirely possible that one of the leading culprits behind...

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[bp]

I've never had any issues with Lp(a) we have had a number of discussions on it.

Lp(a) [Lipoprotein(a)] - the hidden killer lipid marker

As we learn more about how elevated levels of Lp(a) can potentially kill us before anyone can determine the cause, it is imperative that everyone get this lipid marker tested frequently, especially those on any type of HRT regimen. It is entirely possible that one of the leading culprits behind...

www.excelmale.com

I was wondering if you’d seen your LP(a) marker decrease Vince.
(But then again, know you’ve never had issues, so maybe never bothered having it as a test on your bloodwork, ....and tbh, why would you if it’s fine?)
I know you said you were going to add ND to your TRT. I hope it’s going well.

stay well mate
Ben x

 

[Vince]

I was wondering if you’d seen your LP(a) marker decrease Vince.
(But then again, know you’ve never had issues, so maybe never bothered having it as a test on your bloodwork, ....and tbh, why would you if it’s fine?)
I know you said you were going to add ND to your TRT. I hope it’s going well.

stay well mate
Ben x

I do get my cholesterol lipid panel done along with my LP-a every 3 months. I have not noticed any difference.

 

[Jason Sypolt]

I'm not sure what you have in mind by "microdose", but there were some studies from the 70's or 80's on Oxandrolone and its effects on lipoproteins. They were using < 10mg if I remember correctly. It's a really interesting drug. I am taking Nandrolone and Oxandrolone right now and the only changes I have seen as I expected are ~25% lower HDL, 10-15% higher LDL, and lower Triglycerides. My SHBG is in single digits, but so is my fasting insulin for the first time that I know of so I'm quite pleased.

 

[sokaiya]

Unless you have a body wasting syndrome, what is the point of doing what you're doing?

What is your lipid profile? Using oxandrolone will effectively take your HDL to NOTHING.

 

[bp]

Unless you have a body wasting syndrome, what is the point of doing what you're doing?

What is your lipid profile? Using oxandrolone will effectively take your HDL to NOTHING.

“Unless you have a body wasting syndrome whats the point of doing what you're doing?”

What are you talking about?

Did you read my post?

Did you see the thread title?

The point is attenuating Lp(a) levels.

“Whats your lipid profile?”

The subclass of LDL-P, the Lp(a), which is the most atherogenic of all the LDL-P subclasses, is genetically very high in me.
2.5 x range limit naturally.
I posted these numbers, did you read them?

I never mentioned in my original post the dose of oxandrolone i was planning to use!

The theory that HDL should be high is now being reconsidered by researchers in the field of lipidology. It could well be nonsense.

 

[bp]

I'm not sure what you have in mind by "microdose", but there were some studies from the 70's or 80's on Oxandrolone and its effects on lipoproteins. They were using < 10mg if I remember correctly. It's a really interesting drug. I am taking Nandrolone and Oxandrolone right now and the only changes I have seen as I expected are ~25% lower HDL, 10-15% higher LDL, and lower Triglycerides. My SHBG is in single digits, but so is my fasting insulin for the first time that I know of so I'm quite pleased.

Yes, werent they (studies) the ones i sent you via the fb forum? ;-)

Microdose? Possibly 2.5-5mg qd

 

[sokaiya]

“Unless you have a body wasting syndrome whats the point of doing what you're doing?”

What are you talking about?

Did you read my post?

Did you see the thread title?

The point is attenuating Lp(a) levels.

“Whats your lipid profile?”

The subclass of LDL-P, the Lp(a), which is the most atherogenic of all the LDL-P subclasses, is genetically very high in me.
2.5 x range limit naturally.
I posted these numbers, did you read them?

I never mentioned in my original post the dose of oxandrolone i was planning to use!

The theory that HDL should be high is now being reconsidered by researchers in the field of lipidology. It could well be nonsense.

the nandrolone, the anavar, what is your goal? What are you trying to achieve?

 

[Gman86]

I'm not sure what you have in mind by "microdose", but there were some studies from the 70's or 80's on Oxandrolone and its effects on lipoproteins. They were using < 10mg if I remember correctly. It's a really interesting drug. I am taking Nandrolone and Oxandrolone right now and the only changes I have seen as I expected are ~25% lower HDL, 10-15% higher LDL, and lower Triglycerides. My SHBG is in single digits, but so is my fasting insulin for the first time that I know of so I'm quite pleased.

What is ur baseline SHBG, or what was it around before using nandrolone and oxandrolone?

 

[Gman86]

“Unless you have a body wasting syndrome whats the point of doing what you're doing?”

What are you talking about?

Did you read my post?

Did you see the thread title?

The point is attenuating Lp(a) levels.

“Whats your lipid profile?”

The subclass of LDL-P, the Lp(a), which is the most atherogenic of all the LDL-P subclasses, is genetically very high in me.
2.5 x range limit naturally.
I posted these numbers, did you read them?

I never mentioned in my original post the dose of oxandrolone i was planning to use!

The theory that HDL should be high is now being reconsidered by researchers in the field of lipidology. It could well be nonsense.

Don’t pay any attention to him. He’s just a troll. Replying to his ignorant comments is just feeding that troll. Best thing u can do is ignore and starve him.

 

[bp]

the nandrolone, the anavar, what is your goal? What are you trying to achieve?

I’ve just told you.

I honestly don’t understand how else I can explain what I’ve already written.

To attenuate the Lp(a) subclass of LDL-p

 

[bp]

What is ur baseline SHBG, or what was it around before using nandrolone and oxandrolone?

SHBG always sits between:
40 and 50 nmol/L

it fluctuates.

It was 45 nmol/L on this last lab work.
Which was after 8 wks of ND @ 30mg qwk.

It hasn’t appeared to shift (SHBG) with the ND addition to the TRT

 

[he-man100]

For me every oral steroid drastically reduces Lpa but it does the same for Hdl while Ldl goes up. How did nandrolone effect your Hdl?

 

[bp]

For me every oral steroid drastically reduces Lpa but it does the same for Hdl while Ldl goes up. How did nandrolone effect your Hdl?

It barely moved. It’s always low anyway.
Plus, there’s data and research now, heavily suggesting that the idea that HDL should be high, (and is the GOOD cholesterol), is bullshit and nonsense.
It could well be that it’s an indicator of toxins in the body. (High HDL)