HCG as monotherapy due to high hematocrit

[rayman]

I have been on Crisler's T protocol for years and have done well.
250iu of HCG on mon and tues, and .5cc of Test cyp on Wed., every week.

My problem is my blood is way too thick and I need to get that down or risk a heart or stroke event.
So I am considering HCG monotherapy. I plan to gradually reduce my T shots until I get off the test cyp completely, and just take HCG. I believe Crisler recommended for HCG monotherapy to do 3 shots per week....ie every other day.

Anyone have any experiences with this regimen? Advice greatly appreciated.

 

[t_spacemonkey]

HCG is garbage IMHO. men's body doesn't make it. adjust your T dose. also there I have yet to see anybody getting stroke/heart issues from this. also what is high.

 

[Systemlord]

I have yet to see anybody getting stroke/heart issues from this.

Same here, I would love to see the data.

 

[tareload]

If you are secondary (your testicles function) then hCG is a viable option for treating hypogonadism. Obviously won't give you same anabolic effect of TRT+.

What's your CBC look like? Hct? Autoimmune disease or inflammation resulting in higher plasma viscosity?

 

[rayman]

My hematocrit is always high so I donate blood every 8 weeks! Current is 52.8. RBC is 6.31 and RDW is 15.5
The test cyp makes my hematocrit go through the roof if I don't donate blood, which depletes my platelets. It's a prob.
My T is 928.
Estradiol 57.6
Free T 16.3
DHEA 36

 

[t_spacemonkey]

My hematocrit is always high so I donate blood every 8 weeks! Current is 52.8. RBC is 6.31 and RDW is 15.5
The test cyp makes my hematocrit go through the roof if I don't donate blood, which depletes my platelets. It's a prob.
My T is 928.
Estradiol 57.6
Free T 16.3
DHEA 36

your levels are good (if you feel good). as you know HCT is highly debated. my HCT runs very high, i donate too, but I feel amazing. great libido, energy, gym workouts etc. always tweaking my protocol a bit, and ideally i like to lower my hCT a bit.
in terms of HCG mono, i have not met anybody yet who would feel good on this

 

[tareload]

i have not met anybody yet who would feel good on this

Nice to meet you.

 

[rayman]

Thanks guys. Nice to meet you all as well. We are in this together! DR. Crisler's leaving was a big loss. He helped so many...

 

[Systemlord]

Current is 52.8. RBC is 6.31 and RDW is 15.5

I don't know why you're donating with an HCT of 52%. I don't see people donating this frequently living at high altitude. These people also have a reduced risk of stroke. According to this study what you're actually doing by decreasing your HCT is increasing risk of stroke.

Stroke-Related Mortality at Different Altitudes: A 17-Year Nationwide Population-Based Analysis From Ecuador. - Excel Male Men's Health Forum

Living at higher elevation with higher hematocrit may decrease cardiovascular risk! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8525493/...

www.excelmale.com

Conclusion: This is the first epidemiological study that aims to elucidate the association between stroke and altitude using four different elevation ranges. Our findings suggest that living at higher elevations offers a reduction or the risk of dying due to stroke as well as a reduction in the probability of being admitted to the hospital. Nevertheless, this protective factor has a stronger effect between 2,000 and 3,500 m.

 

[rayman]

I don't know why you're donating with an HCT of 52%. I don't see people donating this frequently living at high altitude. These people also have a reduced risk of stroke. According to this study what you're actually doing by decreasing your HCT is increasing risk of stroke.

Stroke-Related Mortality at Different Altitudes: A 17-Year Nationwide Population-Based Analysis From Ecuador. - Excel Male Men's Health Forum

Living at higher elevation with higher hematocrit may decrease cardiovascular risk! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8525493/...

www.excelmale.com

Well my hematocrit gets higher than 52%. This draw was after a recent donation. The clinic always freaks out when they see my high level. My blood is thick and RBC is always off the high end. This study is interesting, but there could be other factors. People at high altitude tend to be more fit due to physical exertion and exercise at altitude, so they may just be healthier people.

 

[Systemlord]

This study is interesting, but there could be other factors.

Higher testosterone at higher altitude.

[Hemoglobin and testosterone: importance on high altitude acclimatization and adaptation] - PubMed

The different types of response mechanisms that the organism uses when exposed to hypoxia include accommodation, acclimatization and adaptation. Accommodation is the initial response to acute exposure to high altitude hypoxia and is characterized by an increase in ventilation and heart rate...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Testosterone increases during acute exposure to high altitude and also in natives at high altitude with excessive erythrocytosis.

 

[jobshopper]

Well my hematocrit gets higher than 52%. This draw was after a recent donation. The clinic always freaks out when they see my high level. My blood is thick and RBC is always off the high end. This study is interesting, but there could be other factors. People at high altitude tend to be more fit due to physical exertion and exercise at altitude, so they may just be healthier people.

When my hematocrit hit 54 I asked my PCP if I should donate blood. He said no, just take a baby aspirin everyday. I did what he said and it fixed my problem. My hematocrit has stayed below 50 for the past 2+ years. ... probably won't work for everyone.

 

[rayman]

When my hematocrit hit 54 I asked my PCP if I should donate blood. He said no, just take a baby aspirin everyday. I did what he said and it fixed my problem. My hematocrit has stayed below 50 for the past 2+ years. ... probably won't work for everyone.

Are you on test cyp? How much per week?

 

[jobshopper]

Are you on test cyp? How much per week?

Yes. I have used 80mg E3.5D for the past 4 years. I recently dropped it to 60mg E3.5D because I may having some issues with elevated E2. I may end up dropping it some more if I can't get my E2 under control.

 

[K.pietera]

My hematocrit is always high so I donate blood every 8 weeks! Current is 52.8. RBC is 6.31 and RDW is 15.5
The test cyp makes my hematocrit go through the roof if I don't donate blood, which depletes my platelets. It's a prob.
My T is 928.
Estradiol 57.6
Free T 16.3
DHEA 36

That is nor even high brother you don´t need to donate blood or change protocol on that level

 

[jobshopper]

That is nor even high brother you don´t need to donate blood or change protocol on that level

Have you tried taking a baby aspirin everyday? It worked for me to keep my hct and rbc in range.

 

[K.pietera]

No I never tried it , but I have read about it and all i have read is that it does not lower HCt ?

 

[rayman]

I am considering monotherapy with HCG and stopping test cyp injections. What is the current protocol for HCG monotherapy? If I recall, Crisler said 250 iu of HCG every other day. Does that sound about right?

 

[J2048b]

I am considering monotherapy with HCG and stopping test cyp injections. What is the current protocol for HCG monotherapy? If I recall, Crisler said 250 iu of HCG every other day. Does that sound about right?

Try a lower dosage of cyp… 10-20 mlg as apposed to 100mlg

I did it like this:

Cyp on monday

Hcg 250 mlg
Friday

Hcg sunday 250 mlg

Felt amazing for years…

 

[J2048b]

And go get tested for sleep apnea…