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<blockquote data-quote="Coffeeguy" data-source="post: 123332" data-attributes="member: 23720"><p>Hello to everyone,</p><p>I have seen a lot of excellent info on the forum, but I would need some guideance on what to do next.</p><p>Where do I start:</p><p>Well, it can be a long story, but I will try to keep it as short as I can.</p><p>Almost 39 yo, non smoker, 1 or 2 of drinks a week. Started training year and a half ago. Beginning fat percentage 25.2.</p><p>One year ago, I have noticed a lack of a morning wood (actually it has been more since I do not have it every day, but sex life was fine, so I disregarded it ). I had a lack of energy, especially after some more vigourous training. I could barely move, like I had concreete shoes.</p><p>I swiched gym, and started working with a personal trainer. On a first measurement, he told me that my fat was largely accumulated around my chest. I have fat around my waist also, but the chest was reported by his software to be the largest area of fat accumulation. He suspected that there is something is going on. I never had that broad shoulders, I always had a bit of fat around my waist.</p><p>So in conjuction with my doctor I ordered my first labs:</p><p>Testosterone: on a scale 2.8-8, mine was 2.5</p><p>Cortisole: 239 (138-690)</p><p>Anyhow, I visited my doctor and told her about all of this, and he disregarded my low T findings and ordered a full blood panel, with some extra stuff:</p><p>ALL of the labs is done on the same laboratory, always fasted in the morning:</p><p>WBC 4.79 (4-10)</p><p>RBC 5.43 (4,2-5.7)</p><p>Hemoglobin 150 (140-180)</p><p>haematocrit 0.458 (0.4-0.5)</p><p>MCV 84.3 (80-100)</p><p>MCH 27.6 (27-31)</p><p>Thrombocites 175 (150-400)</p><p>There is some other values in the formula, if you think they are relevant, I will update.</p><p>Continuing:</p><p>Cholesterol 3.331 (0-5 recommended values, no risk)</p><p>Triglycerids 0.47 (below 1.7 is recommended, no risk)</p><p>ALT(SGPT) 20 (8-41)</p><p>AST(SGOT) 22 (0-37)</p><p>ALP alkaline phosphatase 58 (30-120)</p><p>Testosterone total 3,67 (2.8-8)</p><p>FT4 18.41(12-22)</p><p>TSH 1.440 (0.4-4)</p><p>Basically my doctor said, that everything is OK. I asked her about low T, and she was “it is in a good range. Maybe you just overtrained”</p><p>All this time my erections were, to say, sufficient, to get the job done. But if I was too tired, or it was late, I always flet like if the stimulation stops, my penis would deflate almost instantly.</p><p>I do not watch porn, or mastrubate.</p><p>So, I decided to try some natural testosteron boosters, and apart from one from which I got irritated nothing seemed to work, at least from erection standpoint.</p><p>I did labs at the end of 2017, only for Total, and free Testosterone</p><p>22.12.2017.</p><p>Testosterone 4.01 (2.8-8)</p><p>Free testosterone 10 (8.3-40)</p><p>I started reading about Clomid and decided to give it a try. Here, doctors are more keen on giving you T shots, and I would, really want to postpone that, untill it is absolutely necessary.</p><p>I started with 25 mg every day.</p><p>7 days later I did labs on Testosterone and Estradiol. I was told that this is an estradiol for male. The method of testing is imuno-hemiluminescence</p><p>Testosterone 5.67 (2.8-8)</p><p>Estradiol 28.7 (0-54)</p><p>A great result. I did feel better. One day I was sitting and drinking my coffe, and I was like “Oh how good I feel!!”</p><p>Erections were slightly better, but only marginally. Morning wood maybe once in a week or so.</p><p>So I decided to stay with this protocole for a while, but I started noticing I was hot, mainly around my face. So another digg, and it seemed to me like my estradiol is going up, also, which is a common thing with clomid.</p><p>After two months I decided to stop Clomid and see where I am. I didn’t know at the time about the half-life of Clomind, so I did labs after only 7 days</p><p>March 09.2018</p><p>Testosterone 6.78</p><p>I decided to put it to the rest, since I thought I have sorted it.</p><p>Well it turned out that all of the symptopms have returned, not so badly as the first time, but they were still there. Erection was still, sufficient, to say.</p><p>In the meantime, I started to train seriously, got a meal plan to get into shape. And I did manage to get my fat to 20%.</p><p>By the end of April I did another lab, to see where I am</p><p>April 23.2018.</p><p>Testosterone 3.67(2.8-8)</p><p>Estradiol 32 (0-54)</p><p>So, I was at the beginning.</p><p>Started Clomid 25 mg ED, and did a few labs in beginning of May</p><p>May 02.2018.</p><p>Testosterone 6.92</p><p>Estradiol 39.4</p><p>May 09.2018</p><p>Testosterone 7.85 (2.8-8)</p><p>Estradiol 34 (0-54)</p><p>Then at the beginning of June I did another labs</p><p>Testosterone 8.22 (2.8-8)</p><p>Estradiol 50.4 (0-54)</p><p>Free testosterone 20 (8.3-40)</p><p>This was a huge step from free testo of 10, few months ago. But now Estradiol was runnign high.</p><p>So I tried to lower my Clomid dosage, and introduce AI over the past few months</p><p>JUNE 02-10</p><p>Clomid 25 mg EOD</p><p>Arimidex 0.25 mg EOD</p><p>Labs:</p><p>Test 9.69</p><p>Estradiol 35.1</p><p>June 12-21</p><p>Clomid 12.5 mg EOD</p><p>Arimidex 0.25 EOD</p><p>Labs:</p><p>Testosterone 8.49 (2.8-8)</p><p>Estradiol 28 (0-54)</p><p>I continued this protocol, but in a while I did felt hot sensations around my face, and atributed it to the high E2. In conjuction with my erections, which were still weak.</p><p>I tried to change my protocol again in August, giving the half-life of Clomid being so large. I made an excel table in order to see how much of the drug I have in a given moment.</p><p>So, if the half-life of Clomid was 46 hours, taking it 1/8th of a pill (6.25 mg EOD) I was having about 30 mg of it on average.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]5882[/ATTACH]</p><p style="text-align: right"></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have tried to ease off Clomid and take 1/8th of a pill every 3 days:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]5883[/ATTACH]</p><p style="text-align: right"></p><p></p><p></p><p>And did labs this morning:</p><p></p><p>Testosterone 7,78 (2.8-8)</p><p>Estradiol 45 (0-54).</p><p></p><p>And now I do not know what do to.</p><p>Why is my estradiol going up?</p><p>I did notice some joints cracking, but I cannot be sure what is the cause. I thought that it is a symptom of low estrogen, but the labs says a different story.</p><p>I am inclined to get Clomid back to 12.5mg (1/4 pill) EOD, because it seemed to work the best, and maybe try 0.5 mg Arimidex on days I take Clomind,and 0,25 mg on rest days.</p><p>My goal was to get the most results with the least amount of drugs. Reasoning was, that if I do have too much testosterone produced, the body will convert the rest to estrogen. But my testosterone is falling, and the E2 is going up.</p><p>I still do not feel that, at least, my erections are strong. I know that I am not 20 anymore, but with this therapy, I should be at least perform as much as I want...</p><p>I would need some advice from you guys, who are more into this subject. I did contact Defy, but to be honest, the price of their consultation was a bit steep for me. And I am not sure what they can do in only one consultation.</p><p>Thanks</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coffeeguy, post: 123332, member: 23720"] Hello to everyone, I have seen a lot of excellent info on the forum, but I would need some guideance on what to do next. Where do I start: Well, it can be a long story, but I will try to keep it as short as I can. Almost 39 yo, non smoker, 1 or 2 of drinks a week. Started training year and a half ago. Beginning fat percentage 25.2. One year ago, I have noticed a lack of a morning wood (actually it has been more since I do not have it every day, but sex life was fine, so I disregarded it ). I had a lack of energy, especially after some more vigourous training. I could barely move, like I had concreete shoes. I swiched gym, and started working with a personal trainer. On a first measurement, he told me that my fat was largely accumulated around my chest. I have fat around my waist also, but the chest was reported by his software to be the largest area of fat accumulation. He suspected that there is something is going on. I never had that broad shoulders, I always had a bit of fat around my waist. So in conjuction with my doctor I ordered my first labs: Testosterone: on a scale 2.8-8, mine was 2.5 Cortisole: 239 (138-690) Anyhow, I visited my doctor and told her about all of this, and he disregarded my low T findings and ordered a full blood panel, with some extra stuff: ALL of the labs is done on the same laboratory, always fasted in the morning: WBC 4.79 (4-10) RBC 5.43 (4,2-5.7) Hemoglobin 150 (140-180) haematocrit 0.458 (0.4-0.5) MCV 84.3 (80-100) MCH 27.6 (27-31) Thrombocites 175 (150-400) There is some other values in the formula, if you think they are relevant, I will update. Continuing: Cholesterol 3.331 (0-5 recommended values, no risk) Triglycerids 0.47 (below 1.7 is recommended, no risk) ALT(SGPT) 20 (8-41) AST(SGOT) 22 (0-37) ALP alkaline phosphatase 58 (30-120) Testosterone total 3,67 (2.8-8) FT4 18.41(12-22) TSH 1.440 (0.4-4) Basically my doctor said, that everything is OK. I asked her about low T, and she was “it is in a good range. Maybe you just overtrained” All this time my erections were, to say, sufficient, to get the job done. But if I was too tired, or it was late, I always flet like if the stimulation stops, my penis would deflate almost instantly. I do not watch porn, or mastrubate. So, I decided to try some natural testosteron boosters, and apart from one from which I got irritated nothing seemed to work, at least from erection standpoint. I did labs at the end of 2017, only for Total, and free Testosterone 22.12.2017. Testosterone 4.01 (2.8-8) Free testosterone 10 (8.3-40) I started reading about Clomid and decided to give it a try. Here, doctors are more keen on giving you T shots, and I would, really want to postpone that, untill it is absolutely necessary. I started with 25 mg every day. 7 days later I did labs on Testosterone and Estradiol. I was told that this is an estradiol for male. The method of testing is imuno-hemiluminescence Testosterone 5.67 (2.8-8) Estradiol 28.7 (0-54) A great result. I did feel better. One day I was sitting and drinking my coffe, and I was like “Oh how good I feel!!” Erections were slightly better, but only marginally. Morning wood maybe once in a week or so. So I decided to stay with this protocole for a while, but I started noticing I was hot, mainly around my face. So another digg, and it seemed to me like my estradiol is going up, also, which is a common thing with clomid. After two months I decided to stop Clomid and see where I am. I didn’t know at the time about the half-life of Clomind, so I did labs after only 7 days March 09.2018 Testosterone 6.78 I decided to put it to the rest, since I thought I have sorted it. Well it turned out that all of the symptopms have returned, not so badly as the first time, but they were still there. Erection was still, sufficient, to say. In the meantime, I started to train seriously, got a meal plan to get into shape. And I did manage to get my fat to 20%. By the end of April I did another lab, to see where I am April 23.2018. Testosterone 3.67(2.8-8) Estradiol 32 (0-54) So, I was at the beginning. Started Clomid 25 mg ED, and did a few labs in beginning of May May 02.2018. Testosterone 6.92 Estradiol 39.4 May 09.2018 Testosterone 7.85 (2.8-8) Estradiol 34 (0-54) Then at the beginning of June I did another labs Testosterone 8.22 (2.8-8) Estradiol 50.4 (0-54) Free testosterone 20 (8.3-40) This was a huge step from free testo of 10, few months ago. But now Estradiol was runnign high. So I tried to lower my Clomid dosage, and introduce AI over the past few months JUNE 02-10 Clomid 25 mg EOD Arimidex 0.25 mg EOD Labs: Test 9.69 Estradiol 35.1 June 12-21 Clomid 12.5 mg EOD Arimidex 0.25 EOD Labs: Testosterone 8.49 (2.8-8) Estradiol 28 (0-54) I continued this protocol, but in a while I did felt hot sensations around my face, and atributed it to the high E2. In conjuction with my erections, which were still weak. I tried to change my protocol again in August, giving the half-life of Clomid being so large. I made an excel table in order to see how much of the drug I have in a given moment. So, if the half-life of Clomid was 46 hours, taking it 1/8th of a pill (6.25 mg EOD) I was having about 30 mg of it on average. [ATTACH=full]5882[/ATTACH] [RIGHT][/RIGHT] I have tried to ease off Clomid and take 1/8th of a pill every 3 days: [ATTACH=full]5883[/ATTACH] [RIGHT][/RIGHT] And did labs this morning: Testosterone 7,78 (2.8-8) Estradiol 45 (0-54). And now I do not know what do to. Why is my estradiol going up? I did notice some joints cracking, but I cannot be sure what is the cause. I thought that it is a symptom of low estrogen, but the labs says a different story. I am inclined to get Clomid back to 12.5mg (1/4 pill) EOD, because it seemed to work the best, and maybe try 0.5 mg Arimidex on days I take Clomind,and 0,25 mg on rest days. My goal was to get the most results with the least amount of drugs. Reasoning was, that if I do have too much testosterone produced, the body will convert the rest to estrogen. But my testosterone is falling, and the E2 is going up. I still do not feel that, at least, my erections are strong. I know that I am not 20 anymore, but with this therapy, I should be at least perform as much as I want... I would need some advice from you guys, who are more into this subject. I did contact Defy, but to be honest, the price of their consultation was a bit steep for me. And I am not sure what they can do in only one consultation. Thanks [/QUOTE]
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