Clinic/Dr. question
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Vettester Chris
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it likely depends on your protocol but defy medical costs me about half as much as lowtestostrone.com did.
Vince Carter
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another vote for Defy. For example, 200mg/10lm vial @ Defy $129, I was paying $240 for it with another similarly modeled clinic. Other than finding a local Dr that will write you a script, filling it at a local pharmacy and presuming you have good insurance, Defy is the most cost effective I found.
I do have excelptionally good insurance especially with labs through Quest and Defy wrote me a script I took in to the lab so no more paying out the wazoo for labs through the other clinic, or buying them on my own through discountedlabs.com. In my case the lab card iinsurance covers the labs 100%, no cost to me, so right there is major savings.
I do have excelptionally good insurance especially with labs through Quest and Defy wrote me a script I took in to the lab so no more paying out the wazoo for labs through the other clinic, or buying them on my own through discountedlabs.com. In my case the lab card iinsurance covers the labs 100%, no cost to me, so right there is major savings.
Vince Carter
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Thanks, Vince. For this type of therapy, is there any advantage to an in-person visit? Is there any need for physical examination, or is everything simply based on lab results?
I have been been starting to research my options, and noted that Dr. Crisler does require an initial in person face-to-face visit.
I have been been starting to research my options, and noted that Dr. Crisler does require an initial in person face-to-face visit.
Vince Carter
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Defy requires that you obtain a basic physical from your regular Dr, or any Dr or Nurse for that matter, as part of the application process. After that it's labs, a periodic update of that in person physical, too.
Traveling for visits isn't cheap, remember airfare, hotels, transportation, etc etc
Traveling for visits isn't cheap, remember airfare, hotels, transportation, etc etc
Do they need to be in contact with your regular doctor, or do you need to obtain something from your regular doctor to send to them? I have brought up the subject of T replacement with him, and he's pretty hostile towards anything to do with the idea. So I need to proceed carefully. I have a physical scheduled with him for Monday morning. Assuming he again tells me everything is "normal", and I'm probably just "stressed" or "possibly a little depressed", I need to start looking at other options like Defy. But I would like to do it without burning the bridge to him.
Vettester Chris
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OP, I am also a KP member. Overall, they are poor at best for TRT for men. The biggest problem is that their physician staff, including the endos are all over the place on where they stand on HRT, some like yours don't even want to acknowledge it needs addressed. I actually have a female doc in the IE, who has been very supportive with me going outside of KP for my HRT. She is one of the few that actually keeps an open mind to the subject, and when I visit with her we talk about my continued treatment program, and she takes care of "most" of my labs.
She's the first one at KP that has actually agreed with me that testosterone converts to E2, thus it could be a problem if not administered properly. She also admits that KP is not currently up to speed with treating these (and other) issues, but at least she doesn't deny the natural pathway conversion process.
I don't know how receptive your physician at KP will be, but Defy will need him to fill out a physical form with vitals and other information. Again, mine is all for it, so when I went to Defy, she was all over it for me. It's come a long way from the endo in Fontana, who said anything over 650ng/dl would put me a severe health risk, and that HCG was only for guys wanting to be Manny Ramirez! Asked him about E2, he said it's not a factor .. Asked him about Free Test, he said it doesn't matter. Then he said it was illegal for patients to inject at home, thus he said "that's why it's called a controlled substance"; meaning they have to control the administration of it.
He fired me as a patient when I sent him articles from the Society of Endo Journals, which I highlighted several copies that directly rebutted just about everything he ever told me. Nothing more fragile than an ego of a doctor that really isn't very good at what they do!
Anywho, it was the best thing to happen .. That was my eye opener six years ago, that made me realize that I would have to go to town and do my own research if I ever want this stage of my life to be a success. Research opened the doors to forums like this and other discussion boards, and books like Nelson's, and to specialized doctors & clinics like Defy.
She's the first one at KP that has actually agreed with me that testosterone converts to E2, thus it could be a problem if not administered properly. She also admits that KP is not currently up to speed with treating these (and other) issues, but at least she doesn't deny the natural pathway conversion process.
I don't know how receptive your physician at KP will be, but Defy will need him to fill out a physical form with vitals and other information. Again, mine is all for it, so when I went to Defy, she was all over it for me. It's come a long way from the endo in Fontana, who said anything over 650ng/dl would put me a severe health risk, and that HCG was only for guys wanting to be Manny Ramirez! Asked him about E2, he said it's not a factor .. Asked him about Free Test, he said it doesn't matter. Then he said it was illegal for patients to inject at home, thus he said "that's why it's called a controlled substance"; meaning they have to control the administration of it.
He fired me as a patient when I sent him articles from the Society of Endo Journals, which I highlighted several copies that directly rebutted just about everything he ever told me. Nothing more fragile than an ego of a doctor that really isn't very good at what they do!
Anywho, it was the best thing to happen .. That was my eye opener six years ago, that made me realize that I would have to go to town and do my own research if I ever want this stage of my life to be a success. Research opened the doors to forums like this and other discussion boards, and books like Nelson's, and to specialized doctors & clinics like Defy.
no. the basic physical vince mentioned can be done anywhere. i went to a cvs minute clinic type of place for mine as it would have felt a little weird to have my previous trt dr give me a physical and fill out defy's form.
if you don't mind, could you break down the average monthly with Defy? Let's say 100mg, 500iu hcg, 1mg arimidex a week type protocol.
What was your setup cost to get going with them?
Thanks. These are very good prices. For the $25 is that monthly? That's covering T, HCG and AI?
Vince
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