California residents: What pharmacy do you get your testosterone from now?

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Nelson Vergel

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Unfortunately CA along with changing rules with the FDA have made it very costly and something impossible for small compounders to make sterile injectables, without completely retrograding their facilities which is often out of reach. Additionally, CA has layered their barriers very deep. For example, they have rules requiring specific pedigrees for active ingredient sourcing, actually more stringent than the FDA requirements. Many common compounded ingredients cannot be sourced anywhere. CA has added many new rules that are so strict that even compounders in CẢ cannot survive. Many have closed down including some of the large historically successful ones- like Central Drugs.
 

Arcane

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Unfortunately CA along with changing rules with the FDA have made it very costly and something impossible for small compounders to make sterile injectables, without completely retrograding their facilities which is often out of reach. Additionally, CA has layered their barriers very deep. For example, they have rules requiring specific pedigrees for active ingredient sourcing, actually more stringent than the FDA requirements. Many common compounded ingredients cannot be sourced anywhere. CA has added many new rules that are so strict that even compounders in CẢ cannot survive. Many have closed down including some of the large historically successful ones- like Central Drugs.
so is this the beginning of the End for TRT? or just in california. how are recipients getting their medicine who live in California and work with Defy? is Defy writing retail pharma scripts
 

Nelson Vergel

Founder, ExcelMale.com
so is this the beginning of the End for TRT? or just in california. how are recipients getting their medicine who live in California and work with Defy? is Defy writing retail pharma scripts
I think it may be the end or a new era of restricted compounded injectable TRT, not pharma-grade testosterone injection products. I would email Defy to ask them.
 

Nelson Vergel

Founder, ExcelMale.com
ave any experience with retail Test? how is it? do thy give you enough to last months?
Yes, many of us have used testosterone cypionate or enanthate from regular pharmacies.


The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States regulate the dispensing of testosterone cypionate, just like other controlled substances. However, there isn't a specific "maximum dispensing volume" set for testosterone cypionate that applies universally across all pharmacies. The amount dispensed is typically determined by several factors:

Prescription Requirements: The prescribed dosage that a healthcare professional decides is necessary given the patient's medical conditions.
Dosage and Duration: Testosterone cypionate is often prescribed in specific dosages (like 100 mg/ml or 200 mg/ml) and for a set treatment duration, which influences the total volume dispensed.
Regulatory Limits: While there's no specific maximum volume for dispensing, regulations may limit the quantity dispensed at one time, often to a 30-day supply for controlled substances.
Insurance Limitations: Insurance companies may have their own restrictions on the amount of medication they will cover within a certain time frame.
Pharmacy Policies: Individual pharmacies may have policies that limit the quantity of controlled substances dispensed.
 

Arcane

Active Member
Yes, many of us have used testosterone cypionate or enanthate from regular pharmacies.


The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States regulate the dispensing of testosterone cypionate, just like other controlled substances. However, there isn't a specific "maximum dispensing volume" set for testosterone cypionate that applies universally across all pharmacies. The amount dispensed is typically determined by several factors:

Prescription Requirements: The prescribed dosage that a healthcare professional decides is necessary given the patient's medical conditions.
Dosage and Duration: Testosterone cypionate is often prescribed in specific dosages (like 100 mg/ml or 200 mg/ml) and for a set treatment duration, which influences the total volume dispensed.
Regulatory Limits: While there's no specific maximum volume for dispensing, regulations may limit the quantity dispensed at one time, often to a 30-day supply for controlled substances.
Insurance Limitations: Insurance companies may have their own restrictions on the amount of medication they will cover within a certain time frame.
Pharmacy Policies: Individual pharmacies may have policies that limit the quantity of controlled substances dispensed.
Just to give an update, I called Defy they said APS and Tailor Made compounding pharmacies still ship to California.

Did you notice feeling any different on retail pharmacy test? I know personally I felt better on Retail HCG (Pregnyl) than Empower's for some reason
 

Jerajera

Active Member
I know personally I felt better on Retail HCG (Pregnyl) than Empower's for some reason

I've read that a lot. I also had an issue using generic pharma Test (Perrigo) as a replacement for Pfizer Test. My levels dropped significantly on exactly the same dose on a daily IM injection protocol on which my levels vary less than 5% for TT and FT over a 24 hour period.

It wasn't placebo either because the box looked so similar (same colors even) to Pfizer Test that I didn't even realize they'd given me a generic until I started feeling like shit, did labs, got the results and then checked the Test vial/box.

I'm never using a generic for anything ever again. I'd rather use a reputable UGL
 
I freely admit to not reading every answer, so I'll apologize in advance if this answer was already provided, but I get my Test from Amazon Pharmacy. I'm not in CA, so I don't know anything about whether Amazon will or won't ship it there.
 

HSLD

Member
Did you notice feeling any different on retail pharmacy test? I know personally I felt better on Retail HCG (Pregnyl) than Empower's for some reason
I have used several brands (Westward, Hikma, Pfizer) and Empower's compounded products and never noticed a major difference.
 

Jaycat

New Member
Anybody find a work-around for shipping to California? I'm with Defy, but I'm ready to move on due to the California shipping issues. Half my last order arrived in a few days (think from APS) but been waiting on Taylormade portion for a month. The last few months have been tough to keep meds on hand.
 

DaveK22

Active Member
I use a reliable UGL source & couldn't be happier. I had a DR script but dealing with the pharmacy & insurance BS in NY wasn't worth it. Not for everyone but for me UGL works great. When I did get via CVS, it was just a generic from India. Maybe not every UGL is as good...but mine has 3rd party lab test proving its efficacy. The BB forums know which UGL is legit...as most are ocd and that's a huge benefit lol. Food for thought
 

Jaycat

New Member
I use a reliable UGL source & couldn't be happier. I had a DR script but dealing with the pharmacy & insurance BS in NY wasn't worth it. Not for everyone but for me UGL works great. When I did get via CVS, it was just a generic from India. Maybe not every UGL is as good...but mine has 3rd party lab test proving its efficacy. The BB forums know which UGL is legit...as most are ocd and that's a huge benefit lol. Food for thought
I'm on about the same trajectory.
 

Arcane

Active Member
Anybody find a work-around for shipping to California? I'm with Defy, but I'm ready to move on due to the California shipping issues. Half my last order arrived in a few days (think from APS) but been waiting on Taylormade portion for a month. The last few months have been tough to keep meds on hand.
could maybe ask for retail test during your next consultation and just pick it up at your pharmacy. you could probably use coupons too. Thats what I did for HCG
 

Jerajera

Active Member
You did this with Defy? I didn't know it was an option.

They only do it if you live in Florida, at least that's what they told me over the phone which is the reason I don't use them anymore since I live in the cuck state.
It's too bad because I really enjoyed Defy, but not being able to get pharma meds is a deal breaker for me.
 
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