Are Saliva Hormone Tests Accurate?

[thatoneguy]

Test results posted at the end (couldn't figure out how to post picture of results, maybe because I'm doing this from my phone)

Hello everyone new member here, I have been having lots of symptoms of Low T, but have been blaming it on an ongoing stomach issue I have had going on. Well stomach issue got better, low T symptoms did not.

My doctor reported my T levels as "normal" and I did not think much of it. I ordered a salvia test just to see what my hormone levels were. This was before I really did any research into testosterone and TRT. Now that I have done more research I'm fairly concerned, and will be going back to the doctor in the next couple weeks.

I have attempted to naturally boost my T levels since I was technically "normal" felt slightly better but still having issues. I ordered a second salvia test still waiting on results.

I will get my blood results from the test they did at my next appointment and try and convince them to do more blood work and consider TRT or other low T treatment.

Just looking for any input and advice you have for me. I have read ton of forums about others experiences. I am unsure how receptive my primary care doctor will be to the idea since I'm a 29 year old male in otherwise healthy condition, I also work out regularly and eat semi-good.

Thanks for any input.

Age 29, weight 175lbs, height 5'8".

Estradiol 1.3 pg/ml range 0.5-2.2
Progesterone 18 pg/ml range 12-100
Testosterone 72 pg/ml range 44-148 (for my age it shows right on the line of being subnormal)
DHEAS 6.2 ng/ml range 2-23 (for my age it shows subnormal)
Cortisol 5.5 ng/ml range 3.7-9.5 (below average but normal)

I know I'm missing a lot of things I need to get tested, I did this test before I really new anything. Just looking for some initial input and I'll update when I get more extensive blood work done.

 

[Vince]

thatoneguy, If they did a saliva testosterone panel, I would guess the tests are worthless. Suggested Lab Tests and Questions Before and After Initiation of Testosterone Replacement https://www.excelmale.com/forum/sho...-After-Initiation-of-Testosterone-Replacement

 

[Nelson Vergel]

A Note about Testosterone Saliva Testing

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Salivary Testing for Hormone Levels: Good Idea or Not?

 

[CoastWatcher]

Welcome to Excelmale. Please, by all means, post up your blood work when you have the results.

 

[thatoneguy]

There is also this study which support saliva test. I can't post the link but its titled

"Diagnostic significance of free salivary testosterone measurement using a direct luminescence immunoassay in healthy men and in patients with disorders of androgenic status"

According to this study chances are my free t levels are lower then indicated by the saliva test. When I get my blood work done I'll post and we can see the differences between the two.

Like I said didn't know much when I first started looking into my T levels. If I could go back would have done the blood test. Saliva just seemed convenient at the time.

I'll keep you updated.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

It's an OK 2006 study but they did not use liquid chromatography to determine blood levels of free and total T (which is the gold standard for accurate T testing in the present).


Aging Male. 2006 Jun;9(2):111-22.
Diagnostic significance of free salivary testosterone measurement using a direct luminescence immunoassay in healthy men and in patients with disorders of androgenic status.

Goncharov N1, Katsya G, Dobracheva A, Nizhnik A, Kolesnikova G, Herbst V, Westermann J.
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Abstract

The accurate measurement of testosterone remains a challenge. The determination of the blood testosterone concentrations in serum by conventional immunoassays is inaccurate in men and even more so in females and children. A new luminescence enzyme immunoassay (LIA) has been developed and validated. The high analytical (8.7 pmol/L) and functional (17.3 pmol/L) sensitivity allows the quantification of the very low concentration in saliva, as well as in serum, after 1/40 dilution. This study measured salivary testosterone levels and compared the results with the free levels calculated from total testosterone and sex hormone-binding globulin in eugonadal and hypogonadal men. Salivary testosterone concentrations in healthy men in morning hours were 369 pmol/L (mean), range 263-544 pmol/L, which was statistically significantly higher than that in men with androgen deficiency, 215 pmol/L (mean), range 51-249 pmol/L. Repetitive determination of free testosterone concentrations in saliva (once a week for 5 weeks) showed high stability of results over time, with coefficient of variation 9% (range 5-23%). In this study we showed that free salivary testosterone levels in morning samples correlated well with calculated free testosterone in blood, both in healthy men (R = 0.754, P = 0.001), and in patients with androgen deficiency (R = 0.889, P = 0.0001), though in cases with very low testosterone, salivary concentrations were systematically higher than calculated free testosterone levels in blood.

 

[thatoneguy]

I managed to get my hands on my blood test from a few months ago, I will post it under a new thread.

 

[thatoneguy]

So my second saliva test results have come in. Results are suprising and posted below. My blood test should be taken tomorrow.


Estradiol below .05 pg/ml range .05-2.2
Progesterone 25 pg/ml range 12-100
Free Testosterone 41 pg/ml range 44-148
Dheas 8.4 ng/ml range 2-23
Cortisol 7.1 ng/ml range 3.7-9.5


Result are suprising since I've been doing just about everything to naturally increase testosterone. I have supplemented with DHEA and pregenlone which does explain the increase I DHEAS and progesterone. I've also been taking DIM, but the estradiol levels are still suprising.