American men are hungry for injectable T: A legion of new health clinics are serving it up

[madman]

As I have always stated many of those dime a dozen run of the mill T-clinics are overmedicating men on T from the get-go!

Dishing out those high doses let alone treating some men who do not truly need to be on T!

All those bumass so called HRT/men's health forums let alone so called gurus stinking up the net are also to blame for that more T is better mentality!

Herd f**king mentality, complete sheep show.....I mean S**T SHOW!

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/07/08/american-men-are-hungry-for-injectable-testosterone

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[Jerajera]

Plenty of young men with Test levels on the lower end of the distribution. Probably the best time to get treated so they can build a life based on high T levels instead of going through life as cucks and then trying to salvage that disaster in the middle of an epic midlife crisis.

 

[madman]

Plenty of young men with Test levels on the lower end of the distribution. Probably the best time to get treated so they can build a life based on high T levels instead of going through life as cucks and then trying to salvage that disaster in the middle of an epic midlife crisis.

True but the whole point here is there are numerous men who are just looking for that magical boost and even then those young men who'are truly hypogonadal are being overmedicated!

 

[madman]

Plenty of young men with Test levels on the lower end of the distribution. Probably the best time to get treated so they can build a life based on high T levels instead of going through life as cucks and then trying to salvage that disaster in the middle of an epic midlife crisis.

Need to tread lightly on this needing a high FT level!

Big difference between a natty hitting a healthy FT let alone a FT that falls in the 90-95th percentile vs one using exogenous T.

These natty men that are hitting a healthy let alone high FT (95th percentile) is a daily short-lived f**king peak to boot!

Many of the men on TTh are are running around with a high let alone absurdly high trough FT 24 hrs post-injection (dailies), 2 days (48 hrs post-injection EOD protocol), 3.5 days (84 hrs post-injection twice-weekly protocol) let alone many injecting once weekly are hitting a high-end/high trough 7 days post-injection far cry from a natty living with that daily short-lived healthy/high peak FT.

Too many are amped up on T 24/7 steady state running trough FT levels beyond/well-beyong their NATTY GENETIC SET-POINT!

FT levels were never meant to be elevated 24/7 let alone SKY F**KING HIGH!

Clueless left scratching their noggins wondering why they continue to struggle!

More T is where it's at though eh.....LMFAO!

Thread 'Age-stratified reference ranges for directly measured (ED LC-MS/MS) serum free testosterone in healthy men'

May 11, 2024

Just to be clear up any confusion this is Fiers camps data for mFT reference ranges not the harmonized reference range being worked on by the CDC.


*Serum samples were analyzed from healthy men participating in the SIBLOS/SIBEX and EMAS studies, both population-based cohort studies

* mFT levels were measured in 867 men using ED LC-MS/MS as previously reported (1). Subsequently, 95% reference ranges were determined using the non-parametric method


Reference: 1. Fiers T, Wu F, Moghetti P, Vanderschueren D, Lapauw B, Kaufman JM. Reassessing Free-Testosterone...

• madman
• free testosterone; ed/refernce range; tth
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• Forum: Testosterone and Men's Health Articles

*Serum samples were analyzed from healthy men participating in the SIBLOS/SIBEX and EMAS studies, both population-based cohort studies

* mFT levels were measured in 867 men using ED LC-MS/MS as previously reported (1). Subsequently, 95% reference ranges were determined using the non-parametric method


Reference: 1. Fiers T, Wu F, Moghetti P, Vanderschueren D, Lapauw B, Kaufman JM. Reassessing Free-Testosterone Calculation by Liquid Chromatography–Tandem Mass Spectrometry Direct Equilibrium Dialysis. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2018;103(6). doi:10.1210/jc.2017-02360




We present 95% mFT age-stratified reference ranges. These reference ranges show an expected, decreasing trend of mFT with aging. Lower limits and median mFT decrease at a remarkably stable rate of, on average, 12% per decade up into the 6th decade of life. However, in the upper limit, a marked decrease of 25% occurs after 39 years, followed by smaller decreases of 6% per decade in older age categories.

Age category (years)	Median mFT (ng/dl)	95% mFT reference range (ng/dl)
18-29 (n=140) 30-39 (n=252)	12.0 9.8	6.7-25.3 4.9-18.5
40-49 (n=207)	8.1	4.3.14.2
50-59 (n=146)	7.1	3.8-12.8
60-69 (n=126)	6.4	3.4-11.7
70-79 (n=125)	5.6	2.7-8.7

Conclusion

We have determined mFT reference ranges in healthy men aged 25 to 69. These reference ranges are a first step to improving the framework for further development and integration of free testosterone measurements and calculations in clinical practice.

 

[Jerajera]

True but the whole point here is there are numerous men who are just looking for that magical boost and even then those young men who'are truly hypogonadal are being overmedicated!

I don't disagree there's such a thing as overmedicated. I've just heard too many times the narrative that if you're a younger man and you have low T it has to be because of lifestyle issues that you can almost always address.

I think people don't understand how distributions work. Average means half the population is below that number. Personally I wouldn't want to go through life with an IQ below 100, but hey...maybe that's just me.

So if your Test levels are for example bottom 25% for a 20yo, I absolutely believe you would benefit from careful supplementation, and that's by definition 25% of the 20yo men population, so we're talking a lot of people.

And younger is the best time to correct those deficiencies. Also the dramatized notion that Test significantly stunts growth, etc...needs to stop. Test has incredible benefits when going through puberty, including in mental/psychological/emotional development, and going through puberty with low T levels has profound negative effects on someone's life later on.

The gatekeeping is from idiots who can't model this stuff with any nuance.

 

[Melody68]

I'm 69 and started TRT just last year, largely because I would fatigue easily when exercising or doing physical work; it has helped me that way.

As a younger person I would have my T tested occasionally, and it was on the lower side if not actually considered low. I prefer to be humble, but for purposes of this argument I can honestly state that I've had a life of great accomplishment both physically, academically and in the business world. The only magic that I had or needed was in the power of my mind to create the realities that I envisioned. The notion that a man with lower T must go through life as a "cuck" is not only offensive, but absurd beyond description.

Unless we have VERY low levels of T, which is likely only a smaller percentage of men, it must be realized that whatever makes us great is not found in a syringe. Discipline and focus are more often the factors that are in short supply. Unfortunately, there will always be those who yearn for an easy way out, and there will always be those who seek to profit from it. Selling the perceived benefits of T is not hard; the easiest person to sell is the one who desperately wants to believe what you're saying.

A younger man should exploit every alternative to whatever problem he may have before resorting to alteration of his body chemistry. More often than not, the answer will be found in his mental makeup, not the physical . . .