50 mg/per week protocol

[goga]

Has anyone experimented with 50mg per week cyp/eth? According to this article, shared on this forum, it may be worth a try:

Effects of chronic testosterone administration in normal men: safety and efficacy of high dosage testosterone and parallel dose-dependent suppression of luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and sperm production - PubMed

In normal men, chronic testosterone (T) administration results in negative feedback suppression of gonadotropin and sperm production. However, azoospermia is achieved in only 50-70% of men treated with high dosages of T. Furthermore, the relative sensitivity of LH and FSH secretion to chronic...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Vince]

I'm sure there's some members that are injecting 7 mg daily which would equal 49 mg. But I don't know of anyone injecting a total of 50 mg once a week. I'm sure others will chime.

 

[goga]

I mean 50 mg a week (in total) to avoid shutting down pituitary

 

[Fortunate]

@sh1973 has been using 50 mg (now 60 mg) a week and his experience is well documented. He’s doing very well on this.

 

[Willyt]

I mean 50 mg a week (in total) to avoid shutting down pituitary

Even 50mg per week of cyp/enan still suppresses the HPTA. I inject 7-8mg per day of Enan + Prop blend and can attest to this.

Nasal T gel (Natesto, Empower, etc.) is only form that seems to minimize HPTA suppression because it is so short-lived.

 

[Systemlord]

I mean 50 mg a week (in total) to avoid shutting down pituitary

Any amount of exogenous T is going to shut you down.

 

[tareload]

Any amount of exogenous T is going to shut you down.

WOW, imagine being a new guy and reading quotation above. Rough job trying to sort the misinformation from the facts. Yikes.


I thought you would have been all over this SystemLord...

Feedback on LH in Testosterone-Clamped Men Depends on the Mode of Testosterone Administration and Body Composition

AbstractContext. Quantitative studies of the short-term feedback of testosterone (T) on luteinizing hormone (LH) secretion in healthy men are relatively rare. S

academic.oup.com

See Fig 4.

I am taking a break. Take care everyone. This is depressing to me. Ignorance really is bliss.

No wonder you are so crabby all the time @madman. You got your work cut out for you between praying for Tru-T and reading SystemLord posts laying waste and confusing newbies on all the other content you put out there.

There is still hope... @Cataceous is so valuable to this forum.

Best wishes for health to everyone.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

@readalot what? I hope you stay

 

[tareload]

Nasal T gel (Natesto, Empower, etc.) is only form that seems to minimize HPTA suppression because it is so short-lived

And the testosterone troches administered buccally (must be disciplined with application). They offer elimination half life very similar to nasal gel. Just adding for completeness. Available at compounding pharmacies for now.

Nasal Gel:

Buccal troche:

More info:

Wife Just Got Prescribed Testosterone Sublingual Troches

I covered these a little bit on the EM forum a little while back (too bad we can’t post links). I was debating nasal gel vs troche to pulse once or twice a day with the goal of continuing TRT while trying to recover my HPGA. TLWR If one is methodical, the dosing above should put your wife in...

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[Willyt]

And the testosterone troches administered buccally (must be disciplined with application). They offer elimination half life very similar to nasal gel. Just adding for completeness. Available at compounding pharmacies for now.

Nasal Gel:
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Buccal troche:
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More info:

Wife Just Got Prescribed Testosterone Sublingual Troches

I covered these a little bit on the EM forum a little while back (too bad we can’t post links). I was debating nasal gel vs troche to pulse once or twice a day with the goal of continuing TRT while trying to recover my HPGA. TLWR If one is methodical, the dosing above should put your wife in...

forums.t-nation.com

Thanks @readalot. Is that the same as TNE?

 

[Systemlord]

WOW, imagine being a new guy and reading quotation above. Rough job trying to sort the misinformation from the facts. Yikes.


I thought you would have been all over this SystemLord...

Has anyone experimented with 50mg per week cyp/eth?

Come on man, @goga is talking about 50 mg cypionate/enanthate, not Natesto.

 

[Forty2]

I wonder what effect a 5mg morning shot of TNE in MCT oil would have on LH levels?
Also, for how many hours would testosterone stay elevated for and would testosterone drop back to baseline levels or below?

 

[bixt]

I wonder what effect a 5mg morning shot of TNE in MCT oil would have on LH levels?
Also, for how many hours would testosterone stay elevated for and would testosterone drop back to baseline levels or below?

Excellent questions I have also wondered about. Ditto for IM prop and test suspention. Ditto for clomid/enc taken in conjunction with the above.

 

[tareload]

Thanks @readalot. Is that the same as TNE?

Yes, this would be crystalline testosterone (USP, no ester) in an appropriate troche base.

Example:

Testosterone 1 mg Troches

www.uspharmacist.com

Just for fun, here’s a breakdown of oxandrolone troche from what was a very reputable pharmacy:



Sugar free!

 

[goga]

Come on man, @goga is talking about 50 mg cypionate/enanthate, not Natesto.

Right. Natesto not available in my area...

 

[tareload]

Any amount of exogenous T is going to shut you down.

Come on man, @goga is talking about 50 mg cypionate/enanthate, not Natesto

If he is speaking about 50 mg of tc/te then why would you write the first quotation above?

Care to amend that given what I shared with you in the TNE thread?

Hint, what you wrote above is false. Any amount of exogenous T will not shut you down. Sloppy; your definitive statement does not leave the typical ambiguity you have a tendency to hide behind.

 

[tareload]

Yes, this would be crystalline testosterone (USP, no ester) in an appropriate troche base.

Example:

Testosterone 1 mg Troches

www.uspharmacist.com

Just for fun, here’s a breakdown of oxandrolone troche from what was a very reputable pharmacy:



Sugar free!

Realistic TRT Recomp Progress

Anytime. I remember trying to order the capsules more than a year ago and they had stopped making them back then. So what are troches anyways? Are they basically like lozenges that ur supposed to let dissolve sublingually? Sound pretty ideal for me since I always try to absorb as much of the...

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@Gman86 : I am done with TNation so wanted to respond to your question from over there. See post above (replied to here). Yes, troche done methodically in buccal admin form is going to be best way to minimize as much first pass effect as you can. For something like oxandrolone probably not a huge deal. See my extensive post over there as well.

Oxandrolone Troche Experience: Potential Atherosclerosis Marker WMD

I’d be interested in hearing others experience using oxandrolone troches instead of oral delivery (capsules) to bypass first-pass metabolism and reduce liver toxicity and lower minimum effective dose . Since oxandrolone has excellent oral bioavailability (97-98%) and is actually metabolized...

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Also here:

50 mg/per week protocol

Has anyone experimented with 50mg per week cyp/eth? According to this article, shared on this forum, it may be worth a try: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2104626/

www.excelmale.com

Or search for "buccal" and "troche" on here/over there. I mentioned these a few times.

Take care.

 

[MarcoFL]

@readalot what? I hope you stay

Totally agree! Keep it coming! A little Beth Dutton attitude keeps it interesting! Did you guys see her this weeks episode

 

[BigTex]

@Gman86 : I am done with TNation so wanted to respond to your question from over there. See post above (replied to here).

You are really done with TNation? I use to post there back when they 1st got started but it quickly became a lot of back biting so I never went back. I was also very discouraged when I found out T.C. Luoma/Bill Phillips (Muscle Media 2000 ) were involved and still seemed to be pushing EAS and MET-RX, Cybergenics,vanadyl sulfate and HMB. I know Luoma and Phillips has a bad parting of company but the whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth. Hard to find good forums any more.

 

[tareload]

You are really done with TNation? I use to post there back when they 1st got started but it quickly became a lot of back biting so I never went back. I was also very discouraged when I found out T.C. Luoma/Bill Phillips (Muscle Media 2000 ) were involved and still seemed to be pushing EAS and MET-RX, Cybergenics,vanadyl sulfate and HMB. I know Luoma and Phillips has a bad parting of company but the whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth. Hard to find good forums any more.

Yeah I am done. Old Mod banned me for a while but then the standup CEO over there brought me back and even amended the Pharma section description as per my suggestion (thanks again for doing the right thing Tim):

About the Pharma / TRT category

Discuss safer and effective methods for using anabolics and other compounds, including managing post-cycle therapy (PCT).

forums.t-nation.com

Discuss safer and effective methods for using anabolics and other compounds, including managing post-cycle therapy (PCT). Not a place to ask about sources.

Back story:

Lost All My Gains During PCT

There Are No Safe Methods For Recreational AAS Use

EDIT: Moderator edited my thread title but here’s what it was designed to read… Pharma Forum Description is Incorrect: There Are No Safe Methods For Recreational AAS Use Here you go. Just in case you are new here, read the Pharma forum description (copied above), and think you are going to...

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But over last few months some of the admins delete my posts and prioritize (IMO) their Mod coaches (well at least one) looking good over the facts. Not a constructive situation so I am moving on which is best. I get it, they have a business to run. Given what I post that is a huge waste of my time when a post gets deleted.

I will try to behave over here and like I have said many times I give Mods (let me take this moment to send some love to @Vince) here a lot of credit. I think only one of my posts here has been deleted (which I deserved since it was not constructive). Thanks again to Nelson for letting me edit my posts later as well. This is a great place. No one ever once here ever complained about me linking over there even though it is against official rules. TNation won't let me link to EM posts. PITA. I should be more grateful for EM and the people who make it happen.