Question on T Cream Dosage

[StepbyStep]

when using creams, do not apply to the inner arm of the side which will have blood drawn. Residual testosterone in the skin in the puncture site will give a false high reading of testosterone. I know this from experience. I don't apply any cream to the inner arm being used for the blood draw for 2 days prior to testing.

Have you tested your trough on tropicals?

 

[SSHSSA74]

I tried hybrid approach however DHT levels dropped to low 60's. Felt better libido when in 80's. When back to 100% cream and focused on thoroughly rubbing in the cream where it almost felt like i was rubbing dry skin. Applying to my inner forearms. Total T now in 800's with DHT in the mid 80's. Feel great! I appreciate the input.

Which pharmacy do you get your cream from? And did I see you write in another post that Versabase did not work for you?

 

[Gunga]

I am currently on Test Cream (Atrevis Base) 100 mg/ml applying 1 ml per day in AM. Lab results are as follows:

Total T - 581 ng/dl (range 264 - 916)
Free T - 21.4 pg/ml (range 6.6 - 18.1)
DHT 80 ng/dl (range 30 - 85)
sensitive E2 26.7 pg/ml (range 8 - 35)

I've been on the cream since January, prior to which I was on Test Cyp daily subQ injections of 16 mgs per day. Lab results on injectables as follows:

Total T - 984
Free T - 30.2
DHT - 36
Sensitive E2 - 49

On T injections I felt much more energetic but lower libido. I'd like to stay on the cream if I can get my T higher to get my energy back. Any thoughts on a protocol to increase the T without driving DHT or E2 too high?

My protocol is 10 mgs Test Cyp daily with 1 click 100mg/ml cream on scrotum. This is where I feel the best. 650ng/dL trough, 1150 ng/dL peak. DHT around 88. Morning wood every day. Hematocrit climbs but is manageable with donations. Combo is best for me. Otherwise my DHT is in the 30’s on injections only. Trial and error are key in this game. At a certain point you optimize your protocol. Best of luck to you.

 

[goolapsh]

My protocol is 10 mgs Test Cyp daily with 1 click 100mg/ml cream on scrotum. This is where I feel the best. 650ng/dL trough, 1150 ng/dL peak. DHT around 88. Morning wood every day. Hematocrit climbs but is manageable with donations. Combo is best for me. Otherwise my DHT is in the 30’s on injections only. Trial and error are key in this game. At a certain point you optimize your protocol. Best of luck to you.

Was your sexual function bad on injections alone? How is it one the combo

 

[Gunga]

Was your sexual function bad on injections alone? How is it one the combo

Not “bad” but much better on cream plus inj croons. Some people don’t convert enough to DHT on injection. I’m one of them. Dr Saya said a 10-1 ratio of testosterone ng dL/DHT is a solid benchmark. I agree. DHT is powerful for your man parts. Be careful though! 2 clicks is TOO MUCH for me. Estrogen becomes a problem. A little bit goes a long way on the scrotum. No viagra needed ever.

 

[goolapsh]

Not “bad” but much better on cream plus inj croons. Some people don’t convert enough to DHT on injection. I’m one of them. Dr Saya said a 10-1 ratio of testosterone ng dL/DHT is a solid benchmark. I agree. DHT is powerful for your man parts. Be careful though! 2 clicks is TOO MUCH for me. Estrogen becomes a problem. A little bit goes a long way on the scrotum. No viagra needed ever.

I asked because I have the same issue and dr saya recommended a combination approach but I’m trying Enclomiphene first just because I had a bad experience

 

[Gunga]

I asked because I have the same issue and dr saya recommended a combination approach but I’m trying Enclomiphene first just because I had a bad experience

My advice. . . Trust his guidance! He’s the best in the business. In retrospect, everything I asked him to try has been a dumpster fire. Everything he has recommended has worked; with titration of dose. This is such an intricate game. In my 7 year journey I feel It’s almost an art form in medicine. Everyone’s physiology is so unique. Just my take. Best of luck to you on your journey.

 

[goolapsh]

My advice. . . Trust his guidance! He’s the best in the business. In retrospect, everything I asked him to try has been a dumpster fire. Everything he has recommended has worked; with titration of dose. This is such an intricate game. In my 7 year journey I feel It’s almost an art form in medicine. Everyone’s physiology is so unique. Just my take. Best of luck to you on your journey.

Thanks man. Good to know.

 

[fifty]

My protocol is 10 mgs Test Cyp daily with 1 click 100mg/ml cream on scrotum. This is where I feel the best. 650ng/dL trough, 1150 ng/dL peak. DHT around 88. Morning wood every day. Hematocrit climbs but is manageable with donations. Combo is best for me. Otherwise my DHT is in the 30’s on injections only. Trial and error are key in this game. At a certain point you optimize your protocol. Best of luck to you.

Isn’t one click of 100mg/ml 25mg?

 

[Gunga]

Isn’t one click of 100mg/ml 25mg?

Yes

 

[Gunga]

I was a mess on cream only protocol. Tried everything. Scrotal. Non scrotal. Combo. Forget it. High blood pressure. High estrogen. Felt really off. Puffy. Red faced. Cat said it. Injection base. Cream on top too add DHT and diurnal variation. Money for me.

 

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Which pharmacy do you get your cream from? And did I see you write in another post that Versabase did not work for you?

I get my T Cream through MedQuest in the Atrevis base

 

[SSHSSA74]

I get my T Cream through MedQuest in the Atrevis base

Thanks

 

[S1W]

In retrospect, everything I asked him to try has been a dumpster fire. Everything he has recommended has worked.

Ha! I've had the exact same experience.

 

[SSHSSA74]

I am currently on Test Cream (Atrevis Base) 100 mg/ml applying 1 ml per day in AM. Lab results are as follows:

Total T - 581 ng/dl (range 264 - 916)
Free T - 21.4 pg/ml (range 6.6 - 18.1)
DHT 80 ng/dl (range 30 - 85)
sensitive E2 26.7 pg/ml (range 8 - 35)

I've been on the cream since January, prior to which I was on Test Cyp daily subQ injections of 16 mgs per day. Lab results on injectables as follows:

Total T - 984
Free T - 30.2
DHT - 36
Sensitive E2 - 49

On T injections I felt much more energetic but lower libido. I'd like to stay on the cream if I can get my T higher to get my energy back. Any thoughts on a protocol to increase the T without driving DHT or E2 too high?

Are you, or were you, taking hcg with injections or cream?

 

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I did for a few years but no longer. For some reason with the cream I seem to have less testicular shrinkage and no longer see any benefit from it. Been off for 9 months and no downside noticed.

 

[Walker DC APRN]

Hey guys.. I've been on 60mg of cream about 25 days or so. Not applying on the scrotum. How soon do you think I could get bloodwork, in terms of reaching stability, to consider a higher dose? I'm thinking 100mg split in an am/pm next. I also want to try and stay in a normal range.

Bioavailability of testosterone via the scrotal skin is 8 TIMES HIGHER than anywhere else on the body.

 

[SSHSSA74]

I did for a few years but no longer. For some reason with the cream I seem to have less testicular shrinkage and no longer see any benefit from it. Been off for 9 months and no downside noticed.

Cool. Good to know. Thanks.

 

[SSHSSA74]

i feel amazing on 40mg injection EOD (either cypionate, enanthate or sustain) then i do the cream compounded in Pentravan "topi click" 50mg twice per day. Feel Awesome.

Where do you get T cream with Pentravan base?

 

[SSHSSA74]

I test about 3 hours after application. I switched from scrotal to forearm because I preferred to be in ranges that are in the norm for healthy males. DHT at 300 and Total T > 1500 achieved by scrotal application are beyond the bell curve. Sure, I could hump a log, but that in itself is outside the norm.

Where do you get T cream with Atrevis base?