Does anyone use Nandrolone (Deca Durabolin) ?

[slicktop]

What can we conclude from this study? why does testosterone build more muscle than deca?

Study: testosterone works better than Deca

I have spoken to many people at the gym and they also say that mg vs mg testosterone is stronger for adding lbm

does anyone agree/disagree

thank you

For me, it's not about mg vs mg, it's about how I feel overall, but my goal is TRT, not designing a cycle. Nandrolone + testosterone enanthate lets me keep my total testosterone in a slightly elevated range for my age group while controlling my estrogen, with little to no AI. Nandrolone also seemed to help a shoulder and knee issue I was having, but it's possible that was coincidental or psychosomatic.

 

[Gman86]

All I can say is that 100 mg Deca along with my TRT makes me feel better than I have in 30 years and I’m not exaggerating. I plan to do 10 weeks on 2-3 months off and repeat as long as I can. Lipids, liver and kidney values were not changed or actually improved on Deca.
As for Deca D-ck : well after about 6-7 weeks I notice it hits my libido a bit. I take low dose cialis daily and no issues once I get in the mood. Coming off, my libido returns to high normal. At my age and history of joint issues, given how great I feel, I will trade a bit of libido for the benefits. This is my third run using Deca while on TRT. I used it in college over 30 years ago at 250 mg of Test and Deca each in a cycle and had zero issues (except coming off - we didn’t PCT back then). Winstrol was far worse. I f-ing love Deca. It literally changed my life by clearing up decades of injuries.

You said ur nandrolone dose is currently 100mg along with ur TRT dose. What’s ur current testosterone dose?

 

[gaz7718]

I keep reading comments that Nandralone heals joint issues but other experts suggests that’s not the case and all it does is mask pain.
Is there a categorical answer, as I’m very grateful for the benefits it has on my elbows but am unsure if the effects will last beyond the use of nandrolone

 

[slicktop]

I keep reading comments that Nandralone heals joint issues but other experts suggests that’s not the case and all it does is mask pain.
Is there a categorical answer, as I’m very grateful for the benefits it has on my elbows but am unsure if the effects will last beyond the use of nandrolone

there's not enough studies done at this point to call it a scientific fact (or to deny it, for that matter). Unfortunately, there's a significant stigma of nandrolone being a "bodybuilder steroid drug", and in a world where drugs and surgeries make doctors, insurance, and hospitals the most money, there's not a lot of drive to pursue nandrolone's healing effects. From what I've read on this forum and others, among those that have taken it (including myself), the most common response seems to be that it seems to help joint issues in many, if not most people that take it, and the downsides of trying it are very little. Some men get their estrogen "too low" since it doesn't aromatize like testosterone.

 

[DS3]

I keep reading comments that Nandralone heals joint issues but other experts suggests that’s not the case and all it does is mask pain.
Is there a categorical answer, as I’m very grateful for the benefits it has on my elbows but am unsure if the effects will last beyond the use of nandrolone

Anecdotally men have joint pain relief while on nandrolone therapy. However, after the discontinuation of nandrolone, joint pain typically returns. You will hear some men say that the pain did not return as bad as it was prior to nandrolone.

I also personally experienced this. The root cause of my joint pain was long-term AI use, so discontinuing the AI is what I’ve needed to do to reduce joint pain.

Nothing wrong with taking low-dose nandrolone though as long as Health is being monitored.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

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[madman]

I keep reading comments that Nandralone heals joint issues but other experts suggests that’s not the case and all it does is mask pain.
Is there a categorical answer, as I’m very grateful for the benefits it has on my elbows but am unsure if the effects will last beyond the use of nandrolone

Most using nandrolone for joint issues/bone pain are using low doses indefinitely or short-term off and on.

Very rare anyone does a few cycles and all of a sudden the joint issues/bone pain is permanently gone.

Many on trt let alone therapeutic doses of nandrolone still continue to beat up their joints/tendons/ligaments from weight-training.

No matter how smart you train (diet/rest/recovery, form/technique, load) wear, and tear is still going to happen.

Think of how many older iron-heads have beat up shoulders, elbows, knees, backs.

 

[madman]

I had a second steroid cycle with this. Test E and Deca. Awesome results. If you use this you can feel himself like a god.

On the wrong forum man.

This is a men's health/hrt forum and cycling let alone blasting/cruising has absolutely nothing to do with maintaining long-term health.

Therapeutic doses!

Numerous other forms littered on the net to discuss such.

You wonder why nandrolone gets a bad rap.

 

[gaz7718]

Most using nandrolone for joint issues/bone pain are using low doses indefinitely or short-term off and on.

Very rare anyone does a few cycles and all of a sudden the joint issues/bone pain is permanently gone.

Many on trt let alone therapeutic doses of nandrolone still continue to beat up their joints/tendons/ligaments from weight-training.

No matter how smart you train (diet/rest/recovery, form/technique, load) wear, and tear is still going to happen.

Think of how many older iron-heads have beat up shoulders, elbows, knees, backs.

I guess that’s my underlying concern. There’s no question that nandralone has made training materially more enjoyable in respect of my elbow discomfort I had for a few years prior, but by being able to do curls and pressing without any real issues going to haunt me more later in life because it’s not healing anything, just masking what I would otherwise feel and therefore should still be avoiding?

 

[bochinit]

What can we conclude from this study? why does testosterone build more muscle than deca?

Study: testosterone works better than Deca

I have spoken to many people at the gym and they also say that mg vs mg testosterone is stronger for adding lbm

does anyone agree/disagree

thank you

Disagree. Nandrolone do produces more lean mass and are more anabolic than Testosterone.

 

[slicktop]

Disagree. Nandrolone do produces more lean mass and are more anabolic than Testosterone.

there's literally no scientific evidence of this. Absolutely none.

 

[bochinit]

there's literally no scientific evidence of this. Absolutely none.

It's indicated for wasting syndromes and have more sucess than test for HIV and other deseases so it work best than test for what is indicated with med proof.

And if you had used these two drugs for BB pourposes you would know that nandrolone is better anabolic, as many others, than test by experience.

 

[madman]

It's indicated for wasting syndromes and have more sucess than test for HIV and other deseases so it work best than test for what is indicated with med proof.

And if you had used these two drugs for BB pourposes you would know that nandrolone is better anabolic, as many others, than test by experience.

For gains in pure size/strength.....lol give me a break.

Test is KING!

 

[bochinit]

For gains in pure size/strength.....lol give me a break.

Test is KING!

Do you have used Nandrolone before, sir?

All anabolics is better than testosterone for producing lean muscles and/or another beneficts for deseases without the androgenic/estrogenic side effects of test.

That's why they're created.

 

[madman]

Do you have used Nandrolone before, sir?

All anabolics is better than testosterone for producing lean muscles and/or another beneficts for deseases without the androgenic/estrogenic side effects of test.

That's why they're created.

Think a little deeper!

Guess you forgot the part that e2 plays a role in muscle/strength gains.

T= better drive/aggression and greater strength/mass gains easily.

 

[bochinit]

Think a little deeper!

Guess you forgot the part that e2 plays a role in muscle/strength gains.

T= better drive/aggression and greater strength/mass gains easily.

Your answer does not prove anything about your argument.

 

[madman]

Your answer does not prove anything about your argument.

When it comes to pure strength/mass gains most would take T any day over ND unless they are sensitive to the possible side-effects when using high doses.

 

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[madman]

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[madman]

Maybe those model type men would rant and rave about ND as the end all be all when it comes to muscle growth!

I would take T any day over ND.