Are guys that do well on low dose clomid unicorns...or do they really exist?

[kanishen18]

I am 33 years old, active, fitness oriented and has been struggling with LOW T for little over a year. I highly suspect the suppression due to Curcumin & Iodine intake which messed up my endocrine system. I managed to raise my testsoterone from a below range of 6.4 nmol (range 8.4 - 28.7) to 10.2 (range from 9.9 - 27.8).

The lab ranges vary since i've tried various doctors who don't treat my Low T symptoms seriously.

Finally met a pro BB who suggested me to take clomid instead of listening to doctors since most of them just wanted me to start Testosterone Gel/Injections. No doctors prior to this has taken my FSH & LH. They have only taken total testosterone. Ever since im in touch with the pro BB, he hooked me up with a doctor who did a full proper hormonal test. and these were my results:

1) Total Testosterone: 6.8nmol/l (range:5.72 - 26.4) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
2) FSH: 1.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
3) LH: 0.8IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
4) Estrodiol: 0.1nmol/l (range:0.1 - 0.19)
5) SHBG: 23.4nmol - Taken in April
6) T3: 1.8nmol/l (range 1.2 - 3.1)
7) TSH: 1.71mu/L (range 0.27 - 4.2)
8) T4: 104nmol/L (66-181nmol/L)


Next im currently on clomid as suggested by the pro BB and seconded by the sports doc:
1) currently on 25mg ED
2) my lh and fsh is below range**
3) hence testosterone is low.
4) should i consume 25mg EOD instead of 25mg ED
5) my plan is not to be on clomid forever and hopefully cease once my HPTA can succesfully be restarted.

Currently im entering week 5 on 25mg ED and plan to retest in week 9 or week 12. The only positive symptoms i got from clomid is:

1) my morning erections are present consistently everyday (sometimes even two morning erections but without libido)
2) energy feels better. When i say better it's better than before but not like how optimal i used to be back in 2017 or before.
3) gym strength feels better. Could lift heavy without much effort & recovery seems ok as well.
4) ejaculation seems to be getting thicker if i don't masturbate consistently.
5) I could get erection if i watch porn (for example) except that the penis takes time to get erected instead of being spontaneous.
6) I've not gotten any symptoms of being horny like i really want to make out and have sex for example.

The only thing I've yet to attain at the moment is sexual libido/sexual drive. Please advise......

p/s: I've read many replies here especially from Dr.Saya that 12.5mg ED or 25mg EOD seems to be very positive for males below 40.

 

[HealthMan]

I am 33 years old, active, fitness oriented and has been struggling with LOW T for little over a year. I highly suspect the suppression due to Curcumin & Iodine intake which messed up my endocrine system. I managed to raise my testsoterone from a below range of 6.4 nmol (range 8.4 - 28.7) to 10.2 (range from 9.9 - 27.8).

The lab ranges vary since i've tried various doctors who don't treat my Low T symptoms seriously.

Finally met a pro BB who suggested me to take clomid instead of listening to doctors since most of them just wanted me to start Testosterone Gel/Injections. No doctors prior to this has taken my FSH & LH. They have only taken total testosterone. Ever since im in touch with the pro BB, he hooked me up with a doctor who did a full proper hormonal test. and these were my results:

1) Total Testosterone: 6.8nmol/l (range:5.72 - 26.4) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
2) FSH: 1.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
3) LH: 0.8IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
4) Estrodiol: 0.1nmol/l (range:0.1 - 0.19)
5) SHBG: 23.4nmol - Taken in April
6) T3: 1.8nmol/l (range 1.2 - 3.1)
7) TSH: 1.71mu/L (range 0.27 - 4.2)
8) T4: 104nmol/L (66-181nmol/L)


Next im currently on clomid as suggested by the pro BB and seconded by the sports doc:
1) currently on 25mg ED
2) my lh and fsh is below range**
3) hence testosterone is low.
4) should i consume 25mg EOD instead of 25mg ED
5) my plan is not to be on clomid forever and hopefully cease once my HPTA can succesfully be restarted.

Currently im entering week 5 on 25mg ED and plan to retest in week 9 or week 12. The only positive symptoms i got from clomid is:

1) my morning erections are present consistently everyday (sometimes even two morning erections but without libido)
2) energy feels better. When i say better it's better than before but not like how optimal i used to be back in 2017 or before.
3) gym strength feels better. Could lift heavy without much effort & recovery seems ok as well.
4) ejaculation seems to be getting thicker if i don't masturbate consistently.
5) I could get erection if i watch porn (for example) except that the penis takes time to get erected instead of being spontaneous.
6) I've not gotten any symptoms of being horny like i really want to make out and have sex for example.

The only thing I've yet to attain at the moment is sexual libido/sexual drive. Please advise......

p/s: I've read many replies here especially from Dr.Saya that 12.5mg ED or 25mg EOD seems to be very positive for males below 40.

Restart is for someone that used something like exogenous testosterone that ended up shutting down their HPTA. In your case I doubt clomid would do any good for you unless taken long term. Clomid 25mg ED is rather large dose and clomid is notorious for its estrogenic effects.

 

[kanishen18]

Restart is for someone that used something like exogenous testosterone that ended up shutting down their HPTA. In your case I doubt clomid would do any good for you unless taken long term. Clomid 25mg ED is rather large dose and clomid is notorious for its estrogenic effects.

How else would you suggest to increase my LH & FSH to be in range and hopefully my testosterone will follow pursuit. On 25mg ED, i have some good symptoms achieved especially the morning erections that i did not have for more than a year but of course, that's only the beginning..

Im chasing the good symptoms instead of numbers honestly. As long i attain my libido back, sexual drive, overall energy.... i'd be extremely happy.

 

[HealthMan]

All i am saying is that a restart will not work. As soon as you stop clomid your testosterone levels will go back to where they were before clomid. If you are feeling good on clomid you will have to use it for life to keep your testosterone levels where they are now on clomid therapy. Maybe try a lower dosage and see how you feel.

 

[Gman86]

All i am saying is that a restart will not work. As soon as you stop clomid your testosterone levels will go back to where they were before clomid. If you are feeling good on clomid you will have to use it for life to keep your testosterone levels where they are now on clomid therapy. Maybe try a lower dosage and see how you feel.

This is exactly what I’ve seen anectodally from others, and experienced myself. 50mg of Clomid brought my total up to 1500. When I stopped using clomid, my levels 2 months later were identical to pre-HRT levels, no more no less. Same thing happened to me with HCG monotherapy. Elevated my total to around 1200, but once I discontinued the HCG, my levels went right back to baseline. I’ve seen no evidence that there’s such thing as a “restart”, or there being a way to “kickstart” your system. Just doesn’t work like that unfortunately, from what I’ve seen, heard, and experienced at least.

 

[kanishen18]

All i am saying is that a restart will not work. As soon as you stop clomid your testosterone levels will go back to where they were before clomid. If you are feeling good on clomid you will have to use it for life to keep your testosterone levels where they are now on clomid therapy. Maybe try a lower dosage and see how you feel.

Ok so how would one raise their LH and FSH levels? I've not done any steroid cycles..... from my below the range to in the range... im reducing my dosage from 25mg to 12.5mg ED and see how it goes from here

 

[fifty]

I would do 12.5mg ED due to the half life of enclomiphene but shouldn't make a huge difference either way 12.5mg ED or 25mg EOD.

Clomid will raise LH. Do you have any blood tests yet while on clomid?

12.5mg ed put my LH at 15.6.

 

[kanishen18]

I would do 12.5mg ED due to the half life of enclomiphene but shouldn't make a huge difference either way 12.5mg ED or 25mg EOD.

Clomid will raise LH. Do you have any blood tests yet while on clomid?

12.5mg ed put my LH at 15.6.

The only test i did was on 18/07 - pre clomid. Im starting week 5 as we speak. Planning to do a full 9 - 12 weeks and monitor my symptoms.

Test Results as below:
1) Total Testosterone: 6.8nmol/l (range:5.72 - 26.4) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
2) FSH: 1.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
3) LH: 0.8IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
4) Estrodiol: 0.1nmol/l (range:0.1 - 0.19)
5) SHBG: 23.4nmol - Taken in April
6) T3: 1.8nmol/l (range 1.2 - 3.1)
7) TSH: 1.71mu/L (range 0.27 - 4.2)
8) T4: 104nmol/L (66-181nmol/L)

 

[fifty]

Clomid will work fast for LH and test. You could probably test at the 2week or 4week mark if adding clomid is your only change.

 

[HealthMan]

This is exactly what I’ve seen anectodally from others, and experienced myself. 50mg of Clomid brought my total up to 1500. When I stopped using clomid, my levels 2 months later were identical to pre-HRT levels, no more no less. Same thing happened to me with HCG monotherapy. Elevated my total to around 1200, but once I discontinued the HCG, my levels went right back to baseline. I’ve seen no evidence that there’s such thing as a “restart”, or there being a way to “kickstart” your system. Just doesn’t work like that unfortunately, from what I’ve seen, heard, and experienced at least.

A restart applies when you were on TRT and then decides to stop. Your body might take a while to resume testosterone production and go back to pre TRT levels. In that case a restart is worth trying. You can speed up the recovery process and get back to or close to baseline faster. But if you were never on TRT and your testosterone is low there is no such a thing as a restart

 

[kanishen18]

A restart applies when you were on TRT and then decides to stop. Your body might take a while to resume testosterone production and go back to pre TRT levels. In that case a restart is worth trying. You can speed up the recovery process and get back to or close to baseline faster. But if you were never on TRT and your testosterone is low there is no such a thing as a restart

I understand where you're coming from and your analogy makes sense to me. My testosterone dropped after ingested cucurmin and iodine. Im not sure which suppressed the system but the naturopath informed me that the high doses of cucurmin for 8 months was the culprit. Couple of guys from Reddit did mention that cucurmin weakened their erections and libido.

I managed to bring from a very low to in the range in 12 months naturally which is stated here: 6.4 nmol (range 8.4 - 28.7) to 10.2 (range from 9.9 - 27.8) with herbs and workout.

Now,im just looking to speed the process up. That's my objective.... i believe without clomid, my test will rise but it's taking forever.....

 

[HealthMan]

I understand where you're coming from and your analogy makes sense to me. My testosterone dropped after ingested cucurmin and iodine. Im not sure which suppressed the system but the naturopath informed me that the high doses of cucurmin for 8 months was the culprit. Couple of guys from Reddit did mention that cucurmin weakened their erections and libido.

I managed to bring from a very low to in the range in 12 months naturally which is stated here: 6.4 nmol (range 8.4 - 28.7) to 10.2 (range from 9.9 - 27.8) with herbs and workout.

Now,im just looking to speed the process up. That's my objective.... i believe without clomid, my test will rise but it's taking forever.....

Got it. My opinion is that in case like yours clomid will do more harm than good. But this is only my opinion

 

[kanishen18]

Got it. My opinion is that in case like yours clomid will do more harm than good. But this is only my opinion

Ive dropped the dosage from 25mg to 12.5mg. Morning erections is still consistent everyday. Libido is still on ths low side. Nothing substantially wow...

Ejaculation has been getting thicker and whiter. That's been all for 5 weeks. Im keeping my fingers crossed till week 9-12 and will post my repeat test again

 

[HealthMan]

Ive dropped the dosage from 25mg to 12.5mg. Morning erections is still consistent everyday. Libido is still on ths low side. Nothing substantially wow...

Ejaculation has been getting thicker and whiter. That's been all for 5 weeks. Im keeping my fingers crossed till week 9-12 and will post my repeat test again

Best of luck and keep us posted

 

[Vvs1]

I am 33 years old, active, fitness oriented and has been struggling with LOW T for little over a year. I highly suspect the suppression due to Curcumin & Iodine intake which messed up my endocrine system. I managed to raise my testsoterone from a below range of 6.4 nmol (range 8.4 - 28.7) to 10.2 (range from 9.9 - 27.8).

The lab ranges vary since i've tried various doctors who don't treat my Low T symptoms seriously.

Finally met a pro BB who suggested me to take clomid instead of listening to doctors since most of them just wanted me to start Testosterone Gel/Injections. No doctors prior to this has taken my FSH & LH. They have only taken total testosterone. Ever since im in touch with the pro BB, he hooked me up with a doctor who did a full proper hormonal test. and these were my results:

1) Total Testosterone: 6.8nmol/l (range:5.72 - 26.4) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
2) FSH: 1.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
3) LH: 0.8IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
4) Estrodiol: 0.1nmol/l (range:0.1 - 0.19)
5) SHBG: 23.4nmol - Taken in April
6) T3: 1.8nmol/l (range 1.2 - 3.1)
7) TSH: 1.71mu/L (range 0.27 - 4.2)
8) T4: 104nmol/L (66-181nmol/L)


Next im currently on clomid as suggested by the pro BB and seconded by the sports doc:
1) currently on 25mg ED
2) my lh and fsh is below range**
3) hence testosterone is low.
4) should i consume 25mg EOD instead of 25mg ED
5) my plan is not to be on clomid forever and hopefully cease once my HPTA can succesfully be restarted.

Currently im entering week 5 on 25mg ED and plan to retest in week 9 or week 12. The only positive symptoms i got from clomid is:

1) my morning erections are present consistently everyday (sometimes even two morning erections but without libido)
2) energy feels better. When i say better it's better than before but not like how optimal i used to be back in 2017 or before.
3) gym strength feels better. Could lift heavy without much effort & recovery seems ok as well.
4) ejaculation seems to be getting thicker if i don't masturbate consistently.
5) I could get erection if i watch porn (for example) except that the penis takes time to get erected instead of being spontaneous.
6) I've not gotten any symptoms of being horny like i really want to make out and have sex for example.

The only thing I've yet to attain at the moment is sexual libido/sexual drive. Please advise......

p/s: I've read many replies here especially from Dr.Saya that 12.5mg ED or 25mg EOD seems to be very positive for males below 40.

There's a restart medicine called triptorelin. Oddly enough it's an androgen blocker, but a low dose can restart the axis. I'd advise on asking for professional help before trying.

Clomid will get you the numbers, but many lack any symptom improvement. If we could get pure enclomiphene there could be better results.

 

[kanishen18]

Hi Guys, My results are out after 6 weeks on clomid at
- 150mg the first 6 days
- 25mg/day the next 3 weeks
- 12.5mg/day following 2 weeks
- 12.5mg EOD currently

This was pre clomid:
1) Total Testosterone: 6.8nmol/l (range:5.72 - 26.4) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
2) FSH: 1.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
3) LH: 0.8IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
4) Estrodiol: 0.1nmol/l (range:0.1 - 0.19)
5) SHBG: 23.4nmol (range 15-70)- Taken in April
6) T3: 1.8nmol/l (range 1.2 - 3.1)
7) TSH: 1.71mu/L (range 0.27 - 4.2)
8) T4: 104nmol/L (66-181nmol/L)

6 weeks after clomid
1) Total Testosterone: 26.4nmol/l (range:8.0 - 31)
2) FSH: 2.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1)
3) LH: 2.9IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3)
4) Estrodiol: 215.4 pmol/l (range for male is <146.1 ) - HIGH
5) SHBG: 37.1 nmol - (range 14.55 -94.64) - Increased
6) IGF - 1: 150ng/ml (41-246)
7) T3: Not taken
8) TSH: Not Taken
9) T4: Not Taken


Although my total test has gone up but my drive/libido is no different. Slight improvement perhaps. I would love to hear your input. SHBG is still ok and manageable although it has gone up but my estrogen is concerning.

Doctor also mentioned that my IGF-1 is also average. Meeting the doctor to discuss further.

Overall energy, and etc is fine.

But libido & Sexual drive is still not present as i would love it to be.

Meeting the doctor this friday to further assess and discuss

 

[HealthMan]

Hi Guys, My results are out after 6 weeks on clomid at
- 150mg the first 6 days
- 25mg/day the next 3 weeks
- 12.5mg/day following 2 weeks
- 12.5mg EOD currently

This was pre clomid:
1) Total Testosterone: 6.8nmol/l (range:5.72 - 26.4) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
2) FSH: 1.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
3) LH: 0.8IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3) - Taken on 18/07 12pm
4) Estrodiol: 0.1nmol/l (range:0.1 - 0.19)
5) SHBG: 23.4nmol (range 15-70)- Taken in April
6) T3: 1.8nmol/l (range 1.2 - 3.1)
7) TSH: 1.71mu/L (range 0.27 - 4.2)
8) T4: 104nmol/L (66-181nmol/L)

6 weeks after clomid
1) Total Testosterone: 26.4nmol/l (range:8.0 - 31)
2) FSH: 2.2IU/L (range:1.4 - 18.1)
3) LH: 2.9IU/L (range: 1.5 - 9.3)
4) Estrodiol: 215.4 pmol/l (range for male is <146.1 ) - HIGH
5) SHBG: 37.1 nmol - (range 14.55 -94.64) - Increased
6) IGF - 1: 150ng/ml (41-246)
7) T3: Not taken
8) TSH: Not Taken
9) T4: Not Taken


Although my total test has gone up but my drive/libido is no different. Slight improvement perhaps. I would love to hear your input. SHBG is still ok and manageable although it has gone up but my estrogen is concerning.

Doctor also mentioned that my IGF-1 is also average. Meeting the doctor to discuss further.

Overall energy, and etc is fine.
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But libido & Sexual drive is still not present as i would love it to be.

Meeting the doctor this friday to further assess and discuss

Most men don’t get subjective benefits from clomid mono-therapy so you are not alone. Clomid has a estrogenic effect and also tends to raise SHBG considerably as you can see in your labs negating somewhat the effects of the higher total testosterone levels.

 

[kanishen18]

Most men don’t get subjective benefits from clomid mono-therapy so you are not alone. Clomid has a estrogenic effect and also tends to raise SHBG considerably as you can see in your labs negating somewhat the effects of the higher total testosterone levels.

What would you advise me to do. Include armidex and slowly wean off from Clomid?

 

[HealthMan]

What would you advise me to do. Include armidex and slowly wean off from Clomid?

Usually arimidex itself won’t help much despite the fact it will lower estradiol. Clomid has an isomer that is estrogenic so this will - most of times - cause issues regardless of estradiol levels. You can give anastrozole a try (although the test you had is probably not the correct one for men). If that doesn’t work then maybe TRT is your best bet

 

[Vvs1]

I guess you could try the AI while you're on clomid just to see if it works.

I'd recommend HCG as a second option and try to dial yourself in with that. Like other's have mentioned, there's a dark side to it that can make you depressed or some side effect that never improves symptoms with perfect numbers.