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What’s crazy about this is they are blueing the line now with all this “optimizing“ jargon. It really ruins it for guys who are actually sick and have symptoms. I just want to feel like a normal 37 year old  not like I’m 90. But we have all these guys trying to feel like they are 21 again and it’s really messing the whole hrt landscape up. Excel has a decent group of guys most that are just trying to get healthy. But the shit I’m seeing out there now is fucking nuts. That lifting dermatologist group and hormone optimization group are pretty much a group of dudes doing ***** saying it’s hrt. They have men with t levels in the 3000 saying if you feel good your good. That’s what it’s all about.


Ummm last I checked most people feel good on morphine but how does that work out.


Shit Ive have 210-250 t levels and I don’t even believe trt is the answer. I’ve tried so many times to get it to work and it doesn’t I have to dig deeper. I’m so tired of the “dialed in”shit Also. But we have to understand for the people it works for they are going to swear by it and that means anyone else that it doesn’t work for they must be doing it wrong. Kind of like religion lol


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