When TRT Doesn't Work

[Peterpat]

A little background! Growing up I had very late puberty. So with that an extremely small penis, no muscles and little body hair. Now, I am 72 years old and have been on TRT for 3 years. I have also started to take HCG (25 1 X a week)and Semolrlin (5 X a week 25) and TRT shots (2 X a week at 70) Now he put me on an Estrogen pill everyday. I go to the gym and weight train 4 to five times a week. I eat a balanced diet with extra protein drinks. I am deeply disappointed because I see nothing, and with that I feel depressed with little energy. The Dr I see seems to feel I am doing fine. We we all know this costs a lot of money and it is worth it if you see results. At this point in time I feel I am wasting my money. The Dr says look at your age. But I do research and see many men over 72 with this perfect body. Any suggestions? I am thinking about quitting. HELP Any suggestions??????
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[sammmy]

What T levels do your blood tests show and why did he put you on estrogen pill?

Is your thyroid in check?

 

[Vince]

A little background! Growing up I had very late puberty. So with that an extremely small penis, no muscles and little body hair. Now, I am 72 years old and have been on TRT for 3 years. I have also started to take HCG (25 1 X a week)and Semolrlin (5 X a week 25) and TRT shots (2 X a week at 70) Now he put me on an Estrogen pill everyday. I go to the gym and weight train 4 to five times a week. I eat a balanced diet with extra protein drinks. I am deeply disappointed because I see nothing, and with that I feel depressed with little energy. The Dr I see seems to feel I am doing fine. We we all know this costs a lot of money and it is worth it if you see results. At this point in time I feel I am wasting my money. The Dr says look at your age. But I do research and see many men over 72 with this perfect body. Any suggestions? I am thinking about quitting. HELP Any suggestions??????
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I would agree with Sammy. It would be nice to see your labs. You may not want to be on that estrogen pill. Low estrogen will hurt you especially when trying to gain muscle.

 

[Peterpat]

What T levels do your blood tests show and why did he put you on estrogen pill?

Is your thyroid in check?

My last TRT test was 1467 and my Free Testosterone 457. I made a mistake I am on Thyroids medicine not estrogen.

 

[Peterpat]

I am on Thyroid medicine not Estrogen.

 

[sammmy]

I'm not sure where you see men over 72 with "perfect body". Here is Arnold at the age of 67 in 2014, and keep in mind he is probably on a bucket of anabolic steroids, not only T:

Arnold Schwarzenegger Shows Off Buff Shirtless Body in Cannes : Photo 3117245 | Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shirtless Photos | Just Jared: Entertainment News

Photos for: Arnold Schwarzenegger shows off his sculpted physique while going shirtless outside his hotel on Sunday (May 18) in Cannes, France. The 66-year-old actor is in…

www.justjared.com

 

[sammmy]

What is the normal range of the free testosterone test that your doctor is using? It seems that your T levels are too high.

What is your estradiol level and normal range of the test?

 

[sammmy]

Here is Sylverster Stalone at age of 73, on tons of steroids, still with sagging pecs and protruding "beer gut" - probably visceral fat. That gives you an idea what you can achieve at that age even on bodybuilder steroid regime. You have to be reasonable in expectations.

Sylvester Stallone, 73, reveals his knockout body in NYC

Sylvester Stallone proved he is still packing a punch as he revealed his hunky physique during a shopping trip in New York City on Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[sammmy]

The best goal at your age is a slim toned physique. You have to decrease the T dose, probably 40mg twice weekly so you are in about normal T range. Too high T can actually make you lethargic (I've been there) and lead to water retention (high estradiol) which looks fat.

You have to avoid fast carbs - table sugar, fructose (fruits), lactose (milk). Substitute bread with rice and pasta - more filling for the same calories. Cheese is ok, it doesn't contain much lactose but has lots of calories. You can get the same vitamins from vegetables, most fruits are too full in sugar. Your protein shake also contain calories. Your total calories/day should be around 2000 or less to start losing fat.

The best exercise for your age is actually walking - 1 hour continuously per day (the normal daily activities like going to the store do not count in that), and working out muscle groups of course in moderation. Best for you would be core body weight exercises like pushups, pullups, then some dumbells etc.

 

[Vince]

I was a 3-time Mr Olympia - I still train at 80 but I'm unrecognizable

A FORMER Mr Olympia winner has shared his new training schedule with fans as he works to maintain a chiseled body at 80 years old. Frank Zane – who won the competition over three consecutive …

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There is something called muscle memory. I'm sure Frank Zane has it.

 

[Systemlord]

I am on Thyroid medicine not Estrogen.

If your thyroid levels (fT3) aren’t optimized, you won’t be able to metabolize testosterone effectively enough.