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<blockquote data-quote="T-dog" data-source="post: 140353" data-attributes="member: 2668"><p>Good points. And even with cycling 500/wk, people still need to work out consistently and have nutrition cracking in order to see the results you'd expect from someone who is "juiced".</p><p></p><p>I can see my levels (over 1,000) come in just over the men my age <a href="https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/normal-testosterone-levels/" target="_blank">in the charts on this link</a> who are in the top 5% naturally (mid 900), so I wouldn't expect much of an advantage over those guys when it comes to building muscle. But I figured we would have an advantage over those in the median (around 600) <a href="https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/qvqvpp/this-is-how-much-testosterone-actually-affects-muscle-growth" target="_blank">until I read another article</a>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To demonstrate its point, the article uses an example about how aggression plummets if you remove someone's testes. Strangely, if you restore just 20% of their normal testosterone levels, you bring back the full levels of aggression. However, even doubling their normal levels doesn't cause aggression to increase further. It concludes when it comes to aggression, the <s>body</s> brain responds the same to roughly 20 percent of normal to twice the normal level.</p><p></p><p>So if that same logic also applies to testosterone levels and muscle-builidng, it would make sense even those on the higher end of TRT wouldn't have much of an advantage over your average Joe. You'd need to raise your levels to 2,000 minimum (double what anyone natural is likely to have).</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that is the case, but it's an interesting thought to explore.</p><p></p><p>The post's main point seemed to be when it comes to building muscle, testosterone is given too much credit, whereas it may be androgen receptors doing all the work:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="T-dog, post: 140353, member: 2668"] Good points. And even with cycling 500/wk, people still need to work out consistently and have nutrition cracking in order to see the results you'd expect from someone who is "juiced". I can see my levels (over 1,000) come in just over the men my age [URL='https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/normal-testosterone-levels/']in the charts on this link[/URL] who are in the top 5% naturally (mid 900), so I wouldn't expect much of an advantage over those guys when it comes to building muscle. But I figured we would have an advantage over those in the median (around 600) [URL='https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/qvqvpp/this-is-how-much-testosterone-actually-affects-muscle-growth']until I read another article[/URL]. To demonstrate its point, the article uses an example about how aggression plummets if you remove someone's testes. Strangely, if you restore just 20% of their normal testosterone levels, you bring back the full levels of aggression. However, even doubling their normal levels doesn't cause aggression to increase further. It concludes when it comes to aggression, the [S]body[/S] brain responds the same to roughly 20 percent of normal to twice the normal level. So if that same logic also applies to testosterone levels and muscle-builidng, it would make sense even those on the higher end of TRT wouldn't have much of an advantage over your average Joe. You'd need to raise your levels to 2,000 minimum (double what anyone natural is likely to have). I'm not saying that is the case, but it's an interesting thought to explore. The post's main point seemed to be when it comes to building muscle, testosterone is given too much credit, whereas it may be androgen receptors doing all the work: [/QUOTE]
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