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<blockquote data-quote="BigTex" data-source="post: 248561" data-attributes="member: 43589"><p>Here is chart comparing the suggested dosing done with Aveed (green) 750mg 1 week, 750mg the 4th week and 750mg ever 10 weeks. My current protocol (maroon) of Aveed 40mg every 5 days and my former protocol (blue) of test cyp 40mg every 5 days. Notice how the standard Aveed protocol has much higher peaks that either of the other two but the other two are much more stable with the TU having slightly higher testosterone levels after stabilizing than test cyp. You may be right it may be that have to increase to 50mg. My last testing was about 3 weeks ago I was at 750 in T and I stopped the whole protocol for 3 weeks to get the HCT down. I believe it might have been the cypionate that caused the HCT to rise in the 1st place. Never had this issue with TU in the past going 750mg ever 4 weeks.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]29931[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>This is the cyp (blue) and TU (maroon) without the ester weight</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]29932[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>What eventually makes the difference between testosterone cypionate and testosterone undeconoate is the half life. The TC with 40mg is 28mg no ester and the TU with 40mg is 24mg not a whole lot of difference but after 4 weeks the TC remaining in the blood is 71mgs and the TU is 83mgs. By the end of the year the TC stabilizes at 71mgs while the TU stabilizes at 246mgs. Blood tests in May should tell me whether or not I am headed the right direction. I want my serum testosterone levels to be between 700-800 and HCT under 50%. I'll be a happy camper then.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, I went for several years doing 750mg of TU every month and never had high HCT, a year ago I was switched to TC and immediately started having problems. Since lowering the dose didn't help, my theory is the TC caused it and stopping the TC and replacing with would solve the problem. My doctor disagreed with me. So I substituted with test base and my T levels stayed within my expectations (750) while my HCT went down. My doctor has pretty big eyes when I told him how I solved the problem. That, taking 500mg of metformin and eating grapefruit. I also deflated like an over stuffed balloon. So the metformin had to end. I had to switch to a high carb diet (~700g/d, 300g protein/d and 5500 cal/d). Gained back 2lbs in a week and my muscle started inflating some just like blowing air back into that old balloon. Never really done cypionate in my life and instead always went to the enanthate.</p><p></p><p>Good suggestion going less frequent. I had a special TU made with miglyol 812/GSO, so I am sure the half life is much less than the Aveed with castor oil (33.9) but it is much easier to deal with using an insulin syringe. Almost like water.</p><p></p><p>Never tried freezing HCG, years back we were I guess the 1st to put individual doses of IFG-1 in syringes and freeze them. They unthaw in seconds and they worked just as well. Great idea.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigTex, post: 248561, member: 43589"] Here is chart comparing the suggested dosing done with Aveed (green) 750mg 1 week, 750mg the 4th week and 750mg ever 10 weeks. My current protocol (maroon) of Aveed 40mg every 5 days and my former protocol (blue) of test cyp 40mg every 5 days. Notice how the standard Aveed protocol has much higher peaks that either of the other two but the other two are much more stable with the TU having slightly higher testosterone levels after stabilizing than test cyp. You may be right it may be that have to increase to 50mg. My last testing was about 3 weeks ago I was at 750 in T and I stopped the whole protocol for 3 weeks to get the HCT down. I believe it might have been the cypionate that caused the HCT to rise in the 1st place. Never had this issue with TU in the past going 750mg ever 4 weeks. [ATTACH type="full" alt="cycle.JPG"]29931[/ATTACH] This is the cyp (blue) and TU (maroon) without the ester weight [ATTACH type="full" alt="ester.JPG"]29932[/ATTACH] What eventually makes the difference between testosterone cypionate and testosterone undeconoate is the half life. The TC with 40mg is 28mg no ester and the TU with 40mg is 24mg not a whole lot of difference but after 4 weeks the TC remaining in the blood is 71mgs and the TU is 83mgs. By the end of the year the TC stabilizes at 71mgs while the TU stabilizes at 246mgs. Blood tests in May should tell me whether or not I am headed the right direction. I want my serum testosterone levels to be between 700-800 and HCT under 50%. I'll be a happy camper then. Like I said, I went for several years doing 750mg of TU every month and never had high HCT, a year ago I was switched to TC and immediately started having problems. Since lowering the dose didn't help, my theory is the TC caused it and stopping the TC and replacing with would solve the problem. My doctor disagreed with me. So I substituted with test base and my T levels stayed within my expectations (750) while my HCT went down. My doctor has pretty big eyes when I told him how I solved the problem. That, taking 500mg of metformin and eating grapefruit. I also deflated like an over stuffed balloon. So the metformin had to end. I had to switch to a high carb diet (~700g/d, 300g protein/d and 5500 cal/d). Gained back 2lbs in a week and my muscle started inflating some just like blowing air back into that old balloon. Never really done cypionate in my life and instead always went to the enanthate. Good suggestion going less frequent. I had a special TU made with miglyol 812/GSO, so I am sure the half life is much less than the Aveed with castor oil (33.9) but it is much easier to deal with using an insulin syringe. Almost like water. Never tried freezing HCG, years back we were I guess the 1st to put individual doses of IFG-1 in syringes and freeze them. They unthaw in seconds and they worked just as well. Great idea. [/QUOTE]
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