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<blockquote data-quote="TestOneTwo" data-source="post: 176209" data-attributes="member: 40269"><p>We’ve just been talking about this in another thread and thought to start a new thread on it. </p><p></p><p>First of all, just to get that out of the way, I did not go on TRT for muscle building or performance reasons. I just wanted to feel better and I now do so I consider it a success already. However, my own perceived improvements in the titled areas are modest, if not non existent and I wonder if there’s more to be had.</p><p>Been on TRT for 4 months now. My strength hasn’t improved a bit. In fact, since starting it I experience fluctuations of up to 15%, alas only down, never up. There is no discernible pattern behind it in terms of injection times etc. Muscle volume had increased slightly in the beginning, of course, due to water retention but that’s going down now. I’m currently in the process of shedding some fat and TRT may or may not prove useful for muscle retention, too early to say.</p><p></p><p>Labs from 2 months ago, 140mg/wk, E3.5 </p><p></p><p>HCT 51.7 </p><p>TT 622 ng/dL (264-916) from 275 pre TRT</p><p>FT 25.1 pg/ml (6.8-21.5) from 12.5 pre TRT</p><p>15.4 nmol/L (16.5-55.9) from 25.7 pre TRT</p><p></p><p>Switched to EOD about 7 weeks ago and like it so far. No labs yet on this regime.</p><p>Due to paranoia of running out I always pull a tiny little bit less T out of the vial which I noticed adds up so I’m effectively only using about 126mg/week now. The other reason why I changed protocol to EOD was I would like TT to be in the 850 area without increasing the overall dose. </p><p></p><p>Body stats:</p><p></p><p>6’4”</p><p>259 lbs</p><p>16%</p><p></p><p>I have visible abs but I’m one of these lucky (or unlucky, see below) guys that have visible abs from 18%. Why unlucky? Well my fat seems to be under the muscle, visceral to be exact which is far worse, hence my wish to drop BF but it’s actually relatively easy for me. My natural state is skinny and that‘s what my body always pulls towards. </p><p>The only thing that changed when I went on TRT was that I’ve added about 12lbs of water weight a couple of weeks in. I was 264 at its highest and it’s now slowly coming down. Perhaps a liiiittle bit of vascularity, mind you I’m not a vascular guy to begin with so anything is welcome.</p><p></p><p>Now, due to lack of access to my gym during the COVID lockdown I can only talk about what happened up until then and what I can gauge now by using strength indicators like pull-ups and to some degree pushups. It seems to be still the same as my pull up abilities are fluctuation wildly, way more than they ever did pre TRT.</p><p></p><p>So gentlemen, what are your experiences?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TestOneTwo, post: 176209, member: 40269"] We’ve just been talking about this in another thread and thought to start a new thread on it. First of all, just to get that out of the way, I did not go on TRT for muscle building or performance reasons. I just wanted to feel better and I now do so I consider it a success already. However, my own perceived improvements in the titled areas are modest, if not non existent and I wonder if there’s more to be had. Been on TRT for 4 months now. My strength hasn’t improved a bit. In fact, since starting it I experience fluctuations of up to 15%, alas only down, never up. There is no discernible pattern behind it in terms of injection times etc. Muscle volume had increased slightly in the beginning, of course, due to water retention but that’s going down now. I’m currently in the process of shedding some fat and TRT may or may not prove useful for muscle retention, too early to say. Labs from 2 months ago, 140mg/wk, E3.5 HCT 51.7 TT 622 ng/dL (264-916) from 275 pre TRT FT 25.1 pg/ml (6.8-21.5) from 12.5 pre TRT 15.4 nmol/L (16.5-55.9) from 25.7 pre TRT Switched to EOD about 7 weeks ago and like it so far. No labs yet on this regime. Due to paranoia of running out I always pull a tiny little bit less T out of the vial which I noticed adds up so I’m effectively only using about 126mg/week now. The other reason why I changed protocol to EOD was I would like TT to be in the 850 area without increasing the overall dose. Body stats: 6’4” 259 lbs 16% I have visible abs but I’m one of these lucky (or unlucky, see below) guys that have visible abs from 18%. Why unlucky? Well my fat seems to be under the muscle, visceral to be exact which is far worse, hence my wish to drop BF but it’s actually relatively easy for me. My natural state is skinny and that‘s what my body always pulls towards. The only thing that changed when I went on TRT was that I’ve added about 12lbs of water weight a couple of weeks in. I was 264 at its highest and it’s now slowly coming down. Perhaps a liiiittle bit of vascularity, mind you I’m not a vascular guy to begin with so anything is welcome. Now, due to lack of access to my gym during the COVID lockdown I can only talk about what happened up until then and what I can gauge now by using strength indicators like pull-ups and to some degree pushups. It seems to be still the same as my pull up abilities are fluctuation wildly, way more than they ever did pre TRT. So gentlemen, what are your experiences? [/QUOTE]
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