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1000% true for me too! Exactly word for word. Except perhaps with doses < 70mg , but then drive\motivation\ambition suffers. All doperminergic traits. Higher (TOT i.e. doses > 150mg) give this dopamine like boost in the day which is why people like them, but then this stimulated boost continues 24/7 affecting sleep.


I thought prop would fix this but no luck, not even straight prop IM or SubQ. I can’t get my hands on creams.





What about pre trt or with no trt?


Also out of curiosity, have you tried any sleep medication such as benzos/trazadone/seroquel/various antihistamines/ alcohol etc etc? If you have, what was your experience?


After testing all of the above here and there, I have come to realise what true deep sleep actually is. It turns out my sleep was always poor naturally and high doses / prop simply exacerbated this.


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