SubQ or shallow IM: Any real difference?

lcvl · Jun 5, 2015

SubQ or shallow IM: Any real difference?

Using insulin syringe/needle (30g/12mm) on a 2 x week 50mg Test Cypionate protocol.

I've been rotating injection sites between left/right thighs (shallow IM) and left/right side of belly area (subQ).

Third week on this protocol and I haven't really noticed any difference.

Anyone else?

Vince · Jun 5, 2015

lcvl, I've only injected in my shoulders after watching Nelsons video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uXoBb6mkys

Tommy Wall · Jun 5, 2015

I have not much knowledge in this matter at all! I decided to do both 1xsubq (belly) and 1x IM (shoulder) per week. My idea is only to avoid always injecting in the same place (shoulder). I can only manage to inject on my left shoulder using my right hand, the other way it is impossible for me.
I just started with this for week so I don´t know the outcome yet. But I think it won´t be a problem since the testo goes where it needs to go anyhow or?

Gene Devine · Jun 5, 2015

The main benefit from SC v IM is that SC is much less painful than sticking long needles into muscle tissues which, for some men, can be painful and cause scare tissue over time.

Also, with SC one can do smaller doses more frequently and lower aromatase synthesis as an added benefit.

Plus SC is cheaper as insulin pins are very cheap compared to syringes and needles.

dallas101346 · Jun 5, 2015

In my case subQ caused a higher aromatase. Not sure why that was though.

Vince Carter · Jun 6, 2015

I couldn't subq TCyp in my belly, terrible localized reactions, either the ester, the volume injected, red itchy nubs for days and even some pain. I can subq HCG and peptides in my belly and love handles, but I have to do a "shallow" IM with the 29g in my thigh, no reactions there.

lcvl · Jun 9, 2015

dallas101346 said:
In my case subQ caused a higher aromatase. Not sure why that was though.

What's your bodyfat %? Wondering if that might affect the T conversion.

dallas101346 · Jun 9, 2015

my body fat is about 12%

CoastWatcher · Jun 9, 2015

dallas101346 said:
In my case subQ caused a higher aromatase. Not sure why that was though.

What were your estradiol labs on subQ? Did you have them run on IM?

dallas101346 · Jun 9, 2015

Yup, I have had about 6 lab draws on each(subQ and IM) on subQ my levels stay more stable but the average is around 550 T and 28 E2. On IM I can get in the 900s for T and stay under 30 E2.