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Protocol switch results - 200mg/wk to 20mg/day Test Cyp
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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 192614" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>If these are your most recent labs 1 month apart between switching protocols than you would very well know it is much too early to tell where things will end up let alone gauge how you truly feel overall as once you get through FLUX and blood levels have stabilized it will take 2-3 months for the body to adapt.</p><p></p><p>When using exogenous T although it is very common for hematocrit to increase within the first month it can take up to 9 months to reach peak levels but most would never notice such as they tend to jump the gun and get caught up on those frequent blood donations to manage the S**T show which comes with its own set of problems (low ferritin/iron).</p><p></p><p>Too many tend to run much higher TT/FT levels than is truly needed and constantly struggle to manage elevated RBCs/hemoglobin/hematocrit and end up crashing ferritin which can cause many other issues.</p><p></p><p>Personally I never really liked the once-weekly injection protocols using the high-end trt dose of 200 mg/week as not only are you driving up your TT/FT/e2 absurdly high post-injection/first few days of the week only to be followed by much lower levels come weeks end and in many cases on such dose TT/FT levels are still on the higher-end.</p><p></p><p>Not only is there a big difference in peak--->trough but blood levels will not be as stable throughout the week which for many can end up causing a yo-yo effect which can have a negative impact on energy/mood/libido/erectile function/recovery.</p><p></p><p>Pretty much a given that you are going to have issues with controlling elevated RBC's/hemoglobin/hematocrit let alone many end up jumping on an AI to control the e2.</p><p></p><p>If you happen to be one of the few that truly feels great on such protocol and blood markers are healthy then stick with it.</p><p></p><p>In your case, you stated that you had felt very well for a long time with no issues other than playing the frequent blood donation game to manage hematocrit and if you are content with such then do what is best for you.</p><p></p><p>Many men would fare much better injecting lower doses of T more frequently with fewer issues overall and in many cases will end up feeling much better but this can easily be thrown out the window if one chooses to run too high TT/FT levels even on dailies.</p><p></p><p>Although some may notice a drop in estradiol/hematocrit when switching over to daily injections it is not a given as many may very well still end up running too high TT/FT levels.</p><p></p><p>You made a big mistake when getting labs as unfortunately, we have no idea where your FT level truly sits on the 200 mg/week protocol seeing as the piss poor direct immunoassay was used.</p><p></p><p>At least on the 20 mg/day protocol FT was tested using what is considered the most accurate assay the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis.</p><p></p><p>When testing FT let alone comparing lab work same lab, same assay (most accurate), same testing time (true trough on such protocol) would need to be done.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to FT it is critical to have it tested using the most accurate assay such as the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration if you want to know where your FT level truly sits.</p><p></p><p>Regarding your ferritin even though you are not experiencing any symptoms I would still look into seeing where it sits as of now!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 192614, member: 13851"] If these are your most recent labs 1 month apart between switching protocols than you would very well know it is much too early to tell where things will end up let alone gauge how you truly feel overall as once you get through FLUX and blood levels have stabilized it will take 2-3 months for the body to adapt. When using exogenous T although it is very common for hematocrit to increase within the first month it can take up to 9 months to reach peak levels but most would never notice such as they tend to jump the gun and get caught up on those frequent blood donations to manage the S**T show which comes with its own set of problems (low ferritin/iron). Too many tend to run much higher TT/FT levels than is truly needed and constantly struggle to manage elevated RBCs/hemoglobin/hematocrit and end up crashing ferritin which can cause many other issues. Personally I never really liked the once-weekly injection protocols using the high-end trt dose of 200 mg/week as not only are you driving up your TT/FT/e2 absurdly high post-injection/first few days of the week only to be followed by much lower levels come weeks end and in many cases on such dose TT/FT levels are still on the higher-end. Not only is there a big difference in peak--->trough but blood levels will not be as stable throughout the week which for many can end up causing a yo-yo effect which can have a negative impact on energy/mood/libido/erectile function/recovery. Pretty much a given that you are going to have issues with controlling elevated RBC's/hemoglobin/hematocrit let alone many end up jumping on an AI to control the e2. If you happen to be one of the few that truly feels great on such protocol and blood markers are healthy then stick with it. In your case, you stated that you had felt very well for a long time with no issues other than playing the frequent blood donation game to manage hematocrit and if you are content with such then do what is best for you. Many men would fare much better injecting lower doses of T more frequently with fewer issues overall and in many cases will end up feeling much better but this can easily be thrown out the window if one chooses to run too high TT/FT levels even on dailies. Although some may notice a drop in estradiol/hematocrit when switching over to daily injections it is not a given as many may very well still end up running too high TT/FT levels. You made a big mistake when getting labs as unfortunately, we have no idea where your FT level truly sits on the 200 mg/week protocol seeing as the piss poor direct immunoassay was used. At least on the 20 mg/day protocol FT was tested using what is considered the most accurate assay the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis. When testing FT let alone comparing lab work same lab, same assay (most accurate), same testing time (true trough on such protocol) would need to be done. When it comes to FT it is critical to have it tested using the most accurate assay such as the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration if you want to know where your FT level truly sits. Regarding your ferritin even though you are not experiencing any symptoms I would still look into seeing where it sits as of now! [/QUOTE]
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