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<blockquote data-quote="Sakuraba39" data-source="post: 73702" data-attributes="member: 15636"><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">^ - Myself I am 70 and feel like it most of the time even on low-dose TRT. I have several soft tissue injuries that just don't want to heal even using peptides like TB-4. So I myself wonder if anabolics like Deca can heal soft tissue or tendon issues? Which a lot of people and studies have eluded/concluded that Deca can heal these type of injuries. So maybe its a combo of them trying to heal these type injuries and maybe gain some muscle at the same time as an extra benefit.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**I'll start nandrolone soon, mainly for this reason. I'll let you know how it goes.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">^ - If I felt confident that using Deca for several weeks would heal my soft tissue injuries I would consider it for that reason alone. Of course the muscle building attributes are and added benefit. 200mg a week is a fairly low dose.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**Since I'll be doing an equal amount of TCyp with nandrolone, there's no way I'll be doing 200mg of ND. If things work out extremely well as I go, I might beef up dosages. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">^ - My VA-PC Doc refused to do my labs recently that my TRT clinic requested. Which my VA-PC had done several times previously with no problem. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**I guess it depends on what your clinic requested, but they pretty much have to give you, at least, 2 basic CBCs and chem panels a year. Some of the more “fringe” labs that we typically need are likely up to the discretion of the PC.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">^ - He's mad at me because he didn't understand my lows/highs in my prior labs. Even tho I explained it all w/notes on my labs as to why they were high or low. ie; My test was high because I was using Clomid and then later HCG. Or my estrogen was a bit high so I used an AI to bring it down. This is all off label no-no stuff to the VA. They just don't understand? </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**I might have mentioned this to you before, but I have learned to not even mention what you're doing with off-label meds to VA docs. I've had certain ones threaten to pull me off everything due to trying out Cytomel. Lesson learned. You have to work the system when you have what we have, at the VA. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">My private doc knows everything I am doing and did a rotation at a VA in med school, so he understands what I/we are up against. It can often be adversarial. Use the VA what they can/will provide and offer nothing more to them. Nothing. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">^ - So I didn't stop all meds/supps and didn't see their Endo, so my VA-PC is mad at me!<img src="https://www.excelmale.com/webkit-fake-url://1BCB1C49-3003-49DA-A3C0-8A56AEA0FEFA/pastedGraphic.png" class="bbImage" alt="" data-url="https://www.excelmale.com/webkit-fake-url://1BCB1C49-3003-49DA-A3C0-8A56AEA0FEFA/pastedGraphic.png" style="" /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**I wouldn't have either. I would not tell them anything I was up to, especially stuff we find on this board/online. The most I will do is cut back on some things so as to not set off any unusual lab results. I'm not giving them any reason, whatsoever, to alter what they already provide. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">^ - All I wanted from the VA was a script for Metformin for my borderline diabetic A1a levels. But they wanted me to stop all meds/supps for a month and do labs, then schedule an appointment with their Endo? When I/they had already done an A1a lab previously that showed I was borderline diabetic? Made no sense to me? So I had to pay my TRT clinic to write me a Metformin script. TF?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**I have never had, nor I have I ever heard of, and interaction with an Endo that was positive for people like us. Never. Avoid them like the plague. Especially at the VA.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Again, I'm not sure what borderline-anything will get you at the VA. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You paid your clinic to write you a script or you had to pay for the Metformin out of pocket? Do you have a normal doc-patient relationship with a non-VA clinic or are you just using one of these online/phone situations like a lot of guys on this site? </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">^ - So waiting on my labs to see if I can up my TRT dose a bit. The only thing I have noticed changing with my TRT is a deepening of my vocal chords, that's about it? I don't feel any increase in energy, physically or mentally, if anything I feel less energy, sleep more or over sleep and have a difficult time waking up, just takes so long to wake up<img src="https://www.excelmale.com/webkit-fake-url://1BCB1C49-3003-49DA-A3C0-8A56AEA0FEFA/pastedGraphic_1.png" class="bbImage" alt="" data-url="https://www.excelmale.com/webkit-fake-url://1BCB1C49-3003-49DA-A3C0-8A56AEA0FEFA/pastedGraphic_1.png" style="" />.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**I can't advocate anything, but I will say that I don't wait to make changes based upon labs. I do some research, read forums, talk to guys in similar situations and, sometimes, email my private Drs office. Then I do it (whatever “it” is) and then see what the labs indicate. You'll know if you're feeling better or worse. You'll notice side-effects. I plan my experiments for a given period of time, then I have labs done. Then I make adjustments from there. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Again, I can't advocate. Also, I've never had one E2 issue, but I have been on a dozen or more meds in the last 15 years (thyroid, cortisol, D3, viral, bacterial, fungal, coagulation, etc.) So, small experiments have rarely led to anything serious. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sakuraba39, post: 73702, member: 15636"] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]^ - Myself I am 70 and feel like it most of the time even on low-dose TRT. I have several soft tissue injuries that just don't want to heal even using peptides like TB-4. So I myself wonder if anabolics like Deca can heal soft tissue or tendon issues? Which a lot of people and studies have eluded/concluded that Deca can heal these type of injuries. So maybe its a combo of them trying to heal these type injuries and maybe gain some muscle at the same time as an extra benefit.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]**I'll start nandrolone soon, mainly for this reason. I'll let you know how it goes.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]^ - If I felt confident that using Deca for several weeks would heal my soft tissue injuries I would consider it for that reason alone. Of course the muscle building attributes are and added benefit. 200mg a week is a fairly low dose.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]**Since I'll be doing an equal amount of TCyp with nandrolone, there's no way I'll be doing 200mg of ND. If things work out extremely well as I go, I might beef up dosages. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]^ - My VA-PC Doc refused to do my labs recently that my TRT clinic requested. Which my VA-PC had done several times previously with no problem. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]**I guess it depends on what your clinic requested, but they pretty much have to give you, at least, 2 basic CBCs and chem panels a year. Some of the more “fringe” labs that we typically need are likely up to the discretion of the PC.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]^ - He's mad at me because he didn't understand my lows/highs in my prior labs. Even tho I explained it all w/notes on my labs as to why they were high or low. ie; My test was high because I was using Clomid and then later HCG. Or my estrogen was a bit high so I used an AI to bring it down. This is all off label no-no stuff to the VA. They just don't understand? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]**I might have mentioned this to you before, but I have learned to not even mention what you're doing with off-label meds to VA docs. I've had certain ones threaten to pull me off everything due to trying out Cytomel. Lesson learned. You have to work the system when you have what we have, at the VA. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]My private doc knows everything I am doing and did a rotation at a VA in med school, so he understands what I/we are up against. It can often be adversarial. Use the VA what they can/will provide and offer nothing more to them. Nothing. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]^ - So I didn't stop all meds/supps and didn't see their Endo, so my VA-PC is mad at me![IMG]https://www.excelmale.com/webkit-fake-url://1BCB1C49-3003-49DA-A3C0-8A56AEA0FEFA/pastedGraphic.png[/IMG][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]**I wouldn't have either. I would not tell them anything I was up to, especially stuff we find on this board/online. The most I will do is cut back on some things so as to not set off any unusual lab results. I'm not giving them any reason, whatsoever, to alter what they already provide. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]^ - All I wanted from the VA was a script for Metformin for my borderline diabetic A1a levels. But they wanted me to stop all meds/supps for a month and do labs, then schedule an appointment with their Endo? When I/they had already done an A1a lab previously that showed I was borderline diabetic? Made no sense to me? So I had to pay my TRT clinic to write me a Metformin script. TF?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]**I have never had, nor I have I ever heard of, and interaction with an Endo that was positive for people like us. Never. Avoid them like the plague. Especially at the VA.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]Again, I'm not sure what borderline-anything will get you at the VA. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]You paid your clinic to write you a script or you had to pay for the Metformin out of pocket? Do you have a normal doc-patient relationship with a non-VA clinic or are you just using one of these online/phone situations like a lot of guys on this site? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]^ - So waiting on my labs to see if I can up my TRT dose a bit. The only thing I have noticed changing with my TRT is a deepening of my vocal chords, that's about it? I don't feel any increase in energy, physically or mentally, if anything I feel less energy, sleep more or over sleep and have a difficult time waking up, just takes so long to wake up[IMG]https://www.excelmale.com/webkit-fake-url://1BCB1C49-3003-49DA-A3C0-8A56AEA0FEFA/pastedGraphic_1.png[/IMG].[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]**I can't advocate anything, but I will say that I don't wait to make changes based upon labs. I do some research, read forums, talk to guys in similar situations and, sometimes, email my private Drs office. Then I do it (whatever “it” is) and then see what the labs indicate. You'll know if you're feeling better or worse. You'll notice side-effects. I plan my experiments for a given period of time, then I have labs done. Then I make adjustments from there. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]Again, I can't advocate. Also, I've never had one E2 issue, but I have been on a dozen or more meds in the last 15 years (thyroid, cortisol, D3, viral, bacterial, fungal, coagulation, etc.) So, small experiments have rarely led to anything serious. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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