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<blockquote data-quote="Sakuraba39" data-source="post: 70588" data-attributes="member: 15636"><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“You would have to have it tested privately and bring in the labs and make your case.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">R. Which is what I had to do out of pocket, no insurance.”</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">** Do you not have any insurance (ACA)/medicare/medicaid?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“I've never had an elevated PSA in 15 +/- years of TRT.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">R. That's interesting, although many clinicians say TRT may raise PSA levels or may cause/exacerbate testicular or prostrate cancer. Which could happen, but usually its the 50+ guys who develop elevated PSA levels. Due to elevated estrogen levels. 50+ males have higher estrogen than females. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Never heard of a young guy having elevated PSA levels, prostrate hypertrophy or prostrate cancer issues? As most young males have higher Test and lower estrogen levels than 50+ males.”</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">** I feel that my lack of E2/PSA issues are due to me having such low T in the first place. Maybe having PSA issues are due to the T being too much or non-therapeutic dosages. Some threads on here start with a guy having “symptoms” and the next thing you know they're on 200mg of T and 200mg on nandrolone a week. These are not therapeutic dosages.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I feel fortunate that I don't have some of these issues. A lot of the guys on my Yahoo group are really ”dosage fragile” (I just made that up). A small amount of meds here/there and they go into a tailspin. I don't sweat my T or HCG dosages all that much. I try to stay at certain levels, but if there's 70mg left in the vial, that's what I'll take. If there's 90, I'm fine with that, too. The same with my HCG. I put all of it in syringes as soon as I get and freeze what I won't use in a month. After 20, 30, 40 syringes, you can really lose interest as to whether there's 200 or 250 in there.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“I've been to the ER a couple of times in the last 2 years for bursitis and cellulitis and gotten antibiotics within 20 mins.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">R. Going to a non-VA emergency room can cause a "who is going to pay for the very expensive emergency room bill issue?"</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I was advised by a visiting nurse who took my BP where I live, to go to the emergency room because of a high BP reading. I sat in the ER for 4 hours, then the ER Doc tells me it could be caused by any number of things and shrugged his shoulders? They didn't advise me to do anything, didn't prescribe any meds, then gave me several pieces of empty papers with nothing related to high BP and sent me home. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Even tho I told the ER intake I had no insurance and was with the VA soon after my ER visit I got a $600.00 ER bill I couldn't pay. They had a credit collection agency come after me for payment. Took awhile before I found out the VA has a department (Forgot the name) that pays for non-VA ER visits. The VA paid the bill, but the FN collection agency still hassled me for overdue payments, something like $21 or something&#8230;WTF?”</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">** That department is called <u><strong><em>FEE BASIS</em></strong></u>. The VA's policy is that if you are forced to go to a hospital in an emergency situation and there are no VAs near you, they will pay for your expenses. They handle billing with outside agencies for nearly everything that happens on the medical side of things there (as opposed to departmental discretionary spending). </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If you have some sort of medical issue that the VA recognizes, but does not have the ability to cover, they will pay for that. Many VAs are not set up to cover certain medical issues, so, in the instance that it's not feasible to send you to another regional VA facility, they will allow Vets to seek treatment in their community. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is often difficult to get this process started. Payment punctuality (past due, etc) and comprehension (the VA covering everything that takes place at the private facility) are often headaches for the patient. Fee Basis and the private hospital will continuously fight over costs, leaving the Vet holding the balance of the bill. Things typically get worked out, but it's very stressful for the financially challenged patient. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Have you ever had a minor auto accident? The repair shop says $2500&#8230;the other driver's insurance company says $800? After a month or so of expletives, threats and haggling, everything gets worked out. This is what happens between Fee Basis and the private hospital. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“I qualify for everything but dental (perhaps Vision, too. I'm unsure). I don't have a co-pay for Rx. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">R. If you need glasses they will send you to a VA optometrist. That's where I got my glasses from. I don't have a co-pay either, lucky me. The VA will also give you hearing aids if needed, which are very expensive.”</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">** Because I am on SNAP, I get some sort of state supplemental coverage. I don't know exactly what all it entails, but I did manage to get an eye exam and new glasses. It qualifies me for Rx coverage, but like most standard insurance companies, those drugs are not all relevant for what we need. And sometimes it's such an additional hassle, I just pay out of pocket.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I have to take a break now&#8230;Hogan's Heroes is starting in 5 minutes! hahaha</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sakuraba39, post: 70588, member: 15636"] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]“You would have to have it tested privately and bring in the labs and make your case.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]R. Which is what I had to do out of pocket, no insurance.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]** Do you not have any insurance (ACA)/medicare/medicaid?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]“I've never had an elevated PSA in 15 +/- years of TRT.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]R. That's interesting, although many clinicians say TRT may raise PSA levels or may cause/exacerbate testicular or prostrate cancer. Which could happen, but usually its the 50+ guys who develop elevated PSA levels. Due to elevated estrogen levels. 50+ males have higher estrogen than females. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]Never heard of a young guy having elevated PSA levels, prostrate hypertrophy or prostrate cancer issues? As most young males have higher Test and lower estrogen levels than 50+ males.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]** I feel that my lack of E2/PSA issues are due to me having such low T in the first place. Maybe having PSA issues are due to the T being too much or non-therapeutic dosages. Some threads on here start with a guy having “symptoms” and the next thing you know they're on 200mg of T and 200mg on nandrolone a week. These are not therapeutic dosages.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]I feel fortunate that I don't have some of these issues. A lot of the guys on my Yahoo group are really ”dosage fragile” (I just made that up). A small amount of meds here/there and they go into a tailspin. I don't sweat my T or HCG dosages all that much. I try to stay at certain levels, but if there's 70mg left in the vial, that's what I'll take. If there's 90, I'm fine with that, too. The same with my HCG. I put all of it in syringes as soon as I get and freeze what I won't use in a month. After 20, 30, 40 syringes, you can really lose interest as to whether there's 200 or 250 in there.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]“I've been to the ER a couple of times in the last 2 years for bursitis and cellulitis and gotten antibiotics within 20 mins.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]R. Going to a non-VA emergency room can cause a "who is going to pay for the very expensive emergency room bill issue?"[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]I was advised by a visiting nurse who took my BP where I live, to go to the emergency room because of a high BP reading. I sat in the ER for 4 hours, then the ER Doc tells me it could be caused by any number of things and shrugged his shoulders? They didn't advise me to do anything, didn't prescribe any meds, then gave me several pieces of empty papers with nothing related to high BP and sent me home. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]Even tho I told the ER intake I had no insurance and was with the VA soon after my ER visit I got a $600.00 ER bill I couldn't pay. They had a credit collection agency come after me for payment. Took awhile before I found out the VA has a department (Forgot the name) that pays for non-VA ER visits. The VA paid the bill, but the FN collection agency still hassled me for overdue payments, something like $21 or something…WTF?”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]** That department is called [U][B][I]FEE BASIS[/I][/B][/U]. The VA's policy is that if you are forced to go to a hospital in an emergency situation and there are no VAs near you, they will pay for your expenses. They handle billing with outside agencies for nearly everything that happens on the medical side of things there (as opposed to departmental discretionary spending). [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]If you have some sort of medical issue that the VA recognizes, but does not have the ability to cover, they will pay for that. Many VAs are not set up to cover certain medical issues, so, in the instance that it's not feasible to send you to another regional VA facility, they will allow Vets to seek treatment in their community. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]It is often difficult to get this process started. Payment punctuality (past due, etc) and comprehension (the VA covering everything that takes place at the private facility) are often headaches for the patient. Fee Basis and the private hospital will continuously fight over costs, leaving the Vet holding the balance of the bill. Things typically get worked out, but it's very stressful for the financially challenged patient. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]Have you ever had a minor auto accident? The repair shop says $2500…the other driver's insurance company says $800? After a month or so of expletives, threats and haggling, everything gets worked out. This is what happens between Fee Basis and the private hospital. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]“I qualify for everything but dental (perhaps Vision, too. I'm unsure). I don't have a co-pay for Rx. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]R. If you need glasses they will send you to a VA optometrist. That's where I got my glasses from. I don't have a co-pay either, lucky me. The VA will also give you hearing aids if needed, which are very expensive.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]** Because I am on SNAP, I get some sort of state supplemental coverage. I don't know exactly what all it entails, but I did manage to get an eye exam and new glasses. It qualifies me for Rx coverage, but like most standard insurance companies, those drugs are not all relevant for what we need. And sometimes it's such an additional hassle, I just pay out of pocket.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]I have to take a break now…Hogan's Heroes is starting in 5 minutes! hahaha[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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