ExcelMale
Menu
Home
What's new
Latest activity
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Videos
Lab Tests
Doctor Finder
Buy Books
About Us
Men’s Health Coaching
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More options
Contact us
Close Menu
Forums
Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Side Effect Management
Personal experiences with both HCG Monotherapy and TRT?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="johndoesmith" data-source="post: 58357" data-attributes="member: 13404"><p>I'm not a big holiday guy myself, I had a root canal done 2 days ago, so I have an "out" for dealing with the annoying dinner parties <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Look, I wasn't meaning any condescension, disrespect, or insulting of your intelligence. I may have be a bit harsh, but keep in mind, root canal. </p><p></p><p>It's starting to get confusing and all, and I think the biggest misconception you have, is that because hCG acts as LH, that they are one and the same. They are not, hCG is an LH receptor agonist, which is entirely different from being LH. You've said that hCG should raise LH levels much like clomid does, which is not the case. The gasoline example was an oversimplified metaphor that seems to have been taken the wrong way, that is my fault for phrasing it that way. </p><p></p><p>Asking for proof that hCG does not raise LH levels, is difficult to find hardcore evidence of mainly because any person with an understanding of the HPTA and it's regulation know it not to be true, thus no one has spent time or money to PROVE that it doesn't. </p><p></p><p>You simultaneously stated that we both agree hCG shuts down the HPTA, but then you say that you'd like proof that the more hCG one injects, the lower one's LH levels are. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Those are contradictory beliefs, hence why I tried to convince you of the notion that hCG is suppressive to the HPTA(thus lower LH levels), but I simply don't know of any research stating this, there's no need for anyone to research this AFAIK. </p><p></p><p>All the while you're saying you agree that hCG is suppressive, but disagreeing with me that your specific HPTA is NOT suppressed. It's entirely confusing. You're agreeing with me, but simultaneously not agreeing with me, and asking for proof of what I am saying. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not being argumentative because you confused a few letters. It's like confusing numbers, because in this scientific context, the exact name of a specific substance matters significantly. I meant no offense by that. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am entirely confused on what assertions of mine you would like research on, it seems as if you're agreeing with me, then not agreeing with me on certain things, and I don't know exactly what it is you want evidence of. </p><p></p><p>Some things are a given, and evidence of them does not exist, therefore it's hard to provide evidence of these things. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><strong><em><strong><em><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong></em></strong></em></strong></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><strong><em><strong><em><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong></em></strong></em></strong></em></strong>No it's a sincere compliment! People I know who are younger than you have stopped asking questions, don't care to learn more, or "have learned enough". So I respect that you are still learning!</p><p></p><p>I'm a bit confused by all of this, and honestly, it'd be best if you just gave me specific things I said that you don't understand and want further research on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="johndoesmith, post: 58357, member: 13404"] I'm not a big holiday guy myself, I had a root canal done 2 days ago, so I have an "out" for dealing with the annoying dinner parties ;) Look, I wasn't meaning any condescension, disrespect, or insulting of your intelligence. I may have be a bit harsh, but keep in mind, root canal. It's starting to get confusing and all, and I think the biggest misconception you have, is that because hCG acts as LH, that they are one and the same. They are not, hCG is an LH receptor agonist, which is entirely different from being LH. You've said that hCG should raise LH levels much like clomid does, which is not the case. The gasoline example was an oversimplified metaphor that seems to have been taken the wrong way, that is my fault for phrasing it that way. Asking for proof that hCG does not raise LH levels, is difficult to find hardcore evidence of mainly because any person with an understanding of the HPTA and it's regulation know it not to be true, thus no one has spent time or money to PROVE that it doesn't. You simultaneously stated that we both agree hCG shuts down the HPTA, but then you say that you'd like proof that the more hCG one injects, the lower one's LH levels are. Those are contradictory beliefs, hence why I tried to convince you of the notion that hCG is suppressive to the HPTA(thus lower LH levels), but I simply don't know of any research stating this, there's no need for anyone to research this AFAIK. All the while you're saying you agree that hCG is suppressive, but disagreeing with me that your specific HPTA is NOT suppressed. It's entirely confusing. You're agreeing with me, but simultaneously not agreeing with me, and asking for proof of what I am saying. I am not being argumentative because you confused a few letters. It's like confusing numbers, because in this scientific context, the exact name of a specific substance matters significantly. I meant no offense by that. I am entirely confused on what assertions of mine you would like research on, it seems as if you're agreeing with me, then not agreeing with me on certain things, and I don't know exactly what it is you want evidence of. Some things are a given, and evidence of them does not exist, therefore it's hard to provide evidence of these things. [B][I][B][I][B][I][B][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E][/COLOR][/I][/B][/I][/B][/I][/B][/I][/B][B][I][B][I][B][I][B][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E] [/COLOR][/I][/B][/I][/B][/I][/B][/I][/B]No it's a sincere compliment! People I know who are younger than you have stopped asking questions, don't care to learn more, or "have learned enough". So I respect that you are still learning! I'm a bit confused by all of this, and honestly, it'd be best if you just gave me specific things I said that you don't understand and want further research on. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Share this page
Facebook
Twitter
Reddit
Pinterest
Tumblr
WhatsApp
Email
Share
Link
Sponsors
Forums
Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Side Effect Management
Personal experiences with both HCG Monotherapy and TRT?
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top