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Personal experiences with both HCG Monotherapy and TRT?
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<blockquote data-quote="johndoesmith" data-source="post: 58282" data-attributes="member: 13404"><p>Okay, this is going to be too long, so I am going to respond to the most important parts:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><em>R. 09-15-2016, 02:12 PM </em></span><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?8248-Bummed-out-now-After-successful-start-with-HCG-monotherapy&p=50319&viewfull=1#post50319" target="_blank">#10</a><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/member.php?12687-Dr-Justin-Saya-MD" target="_blank"><strong>Dr Justin Saya, MD<u>:</u></strong></a><strong><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><em> Certainly review the previous discussion about gradual shutdown of </em></span><u><em>endogenous</em></u><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"> LH/FSH as noted. </span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E">I have no argument with this. I'm not sure why you think, I think otherwise? I've stated this throughout my posts that HCG shuts down endogenous (natural) LH. So I'm not sure why you are trying to convince me of this fact?</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong>Okay cool, but you've been asking me for a study as here "<strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E">R. This part I agree with.</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E">So that's what I'm not getting, you believe the more HCG one injects the lower your LH levels should be...? If you can post a link that supports that assertion, maybe I would understand."</span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong></p><p>That's why I am trying to convince you of that. <strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></strong><strong><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E">It appears you are confusing </span><u><em>endogenous and exogenous LH</em></u><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"> with one another</span></em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></em></strong></p><p>There is no such thing as exogenous LH. You are confusing an endogenous ligand, with an exogenous agonist. Just because something binds to a receptor, does not mean it is the same chemical the naturally binds to that receptor.</p><p></p><p>Cabergoline is a man made drug, it is not naturally produced in the body, yet it binds to dopamine receptors. It is NOT dopamine though. <strong><em><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><em><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></em></em></strong></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><em>If you inject 500 mgs. of Test, will your labs reflect your </em></span><em>endogenous Test that has been suppressed/shutdown by your exogenous 500mgs of Test? Or will your labs reflect the 500mgs of Test you injected? The answer is fairly obvious</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em>That is not an apples to apples comparison. Testosterone is called testosterone. hCG is not called LH. Therefore, they are not the same.</p><p>You ask me to prove this, and it's somewhat like asking me to prove that water and gasoline are not the same, and gasoline can be used to fight fire because they're both liquids. </p><p></p><p>I mean no disrespect at all in any way, I'm not trying to be aggressive or anything, but you have a lot of misconceptions, and it's good that you're asking for proof, it is. The problem is that you're asking for proof of things, that don't need to be proven, therefore it doesn't exist. </p><p></p><p>I may be able to pull up the cross reactivity of the LH assay. I'll look for it. </p><p></p><p>I did in fact read your hCG dose incorrectly. You're right about that.</p><p></p><p>You mentioned about AI use, and polling 10,000,000 men, well I'm not talking about normal men. I am talking about TRT guys. Yes, you're not on TRT, that's correct, but I mean in terms of hormone replacement, most guys are not on AI. </p><p></p><p>I hope this helps, and causes you to do research, and I find it amazing that at 70years old you haven't stopped asking questions, truly, but I think your questioning of some things is a bit unreasonable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="johndoesmith, post: 58282, member: 13404"] Okay, this is going to be too long, so I am going to respond to the most important parts: [COLOR=#3E3E3E][I]R. 09-15-2016, 02:12 PM [/I][/COLOR][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?8248-Bummed-out-now-After-successful-start-with-HCG-monotherapy&p=50319&viewfull=1#post50319"]#10[/URL][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/member.php?12687-Dr-Justin-Saya-MD"][B]Dr Justin Saya, MD[U]:[/U][/B][/URL][B][COLOR=#3E3E3E][I] Certainly review the previous discussion about gradual shutdown of [/I][/COLOR][U][I]endogenous[/I][/U][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E] LH/FSH as noted. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#3E3E3E]I have no argument with this. I'm not sure why you think, I think otherwise? I've stated this throughout my posts that HCG shuts down endogenous (natural) LH. So I'm not sure why you are trying to convince me of this fact? [/COLOR][/I][/B]Okay cool, but you've been asking me for a study as here "[B][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E]R. This part I agree with.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#3E3E3E]So that's what I'm not getting, you believe the more HCG one injects the lower your LH levels should be...? If you can post a link that supports that assertion, maybe I would understand." [/COLOR][/I][/B] That's why I am trying to convince you of that. [B][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E] [/COLOR][/I][/B][B][/B][B][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E]It appears you are confusing [/COLOR][U][I]endogenous and exogenous LH[/I][/U][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E] with one another [/COLOR][/I][/I][/B] There is no such thing as exogenous LH. You are confusing an endogenous ligand, with an exogenous agonist. Just because something binds to a receptor, does not mean it is the same chemical the naturally binds to that receptor. Cabergoline is a man made drug, it is not naturally produced in the body, yet it binds to dopamine receptors. It is NOT dopamine though. [B][I][I][COLOR=#3E3E3E] [/COLOR][/I][/I][/B] [COLOR=#3E3E3E][I]If you inject 500 mgs. of Test, will your labs reflect your [/I][/COLOR][I]endogenous Test that has been suppressed/shutdown by your exogenous 500mgs of Test? Or will your labs reflect the 500mgs of Test you injected? The answer is fairly obvious [/I]That is not an apples to apples comparison. Testosterone is called testosterone. hCG is not called LH. Therefore, they are not the same. You ask me to prove this, and it's somewhat like asking me to prove that water and gasoline are not the same, and gasoline can be used to fight fire because they're both liquids. I mean no disrespect at all in any way, I'm not trying to be aggressive or anything, but you have a lot of misconceptions, and it's good that you're asking for proof, it is. The problem is that you're asking for proof of things, that don't need to be proven, therefore it doesn't exist. I may be able to pull up the cross reactivity of the LH assay. I'll look for it. I did in fact read your hCG dose incorrectly. You're right about that. You mentioned about AI use, and polling 10,000,000 men, well I'm not talking about normal men. I am talking about TRT guys. Yes, you're not on TRT, that's correct, but I mean in terms of hormone replacement, most guys are not on AI. I hope this helps, and causes you to do research, and I find it amazing that at 70years old you haven't stopped asking questions, truly, but I think your questioning of some things is a bit unreasonable. [/QUOTE]
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